Re: David Bohm and Dialogue - Meeting Face-to-face - Holodynamics & What

Bagelhole@aol.com writes:

I don't wish to make myself an enemy of you, as I appreciate and agree 
with your intentions, instead I am simply questioning the "wisdom" of
your 
post.

In a message dated 12/18/00 3:30:26 PM, ecopilgrim@juno.com writes:

<< Sanity begins on the holodynamic plane. 

<For instance, this paragraph to me sounds totally unrealistic. But not
only 
that, it seems clear to me, though I could be wrong, that there will be
no 
real solutions as long as sovereign entities such as nations, gov'ts, etc
are 
allowed to exist and capitalism dominates, no matter how great
"holodynamics" 
are any such self-realization system is.>

Capitalism is a very immature response to economic needs -- as long as 
'we the people' buy into 'capitalism' as consumers (and as a viable
system) we show our own immaturity as well.  The mature action here is to
'call the game' -- stop being 'consumers' -- by taking direct action we
begin to take our power back.  Without consumers, capitalism cannot
exist.  

This is a very simple explanation and other actions need to be taken,
e.g., legal action to dimish corporate power and the ability to exploit
poverty-sticken people in the developing world; electing response-able
people to office in countries where this is possible, and enacting other
laws that limit the ability of corporations to exploit the enviroment, 
etc. but I hope this example gives an idea of how 'looking at the whole
dynamic of the situation' can bring about another viewpoint which can
result in 'we the people getting out of the victim posture' -- Exploiters
can only exploit if they have willing victims.  Both victims and
exploiters are immature 'holodynes.'    

Right now we have approximately 200 people controlling 51% of the wealth
of the world with a population of 6 million.  
Come on people -- there many more of us than there is 'them.'  How did we
get in this position?  

The next step toward maturity here is to design a system of economics
that is not exploitive -- a return to a 'sane path.'   

marguerite 

Marguerite Hampton
Executive Director - Turtle Island Institute
EcoPilgrim@juno.com
http://tii-kokopellispirit.org