Re: Fw: human rights and national sovereignty

With this kind of cynism and relativism, Mr. Borodinsky, I understand more and
more
this quote from Russell :
"Men are born ignorant, not stupid; they are made stupid by education."
-- Bertrand Russell

Not saying that you`re stupid, not at all. Just saying that anything is possible

with human kind, anything. Just use creativity and desire.
So, what`s to do from here, what can we do to improve our world?
"Nothing: it has always been like that...."
If you feel nothing is to be done, you`ll do nothing, and nothing will be done.

If you want some succesfull examples of self-managing communities,
mutually cooperative etc., you`ll find plenty in history. Just find them by
yourself.
I could give you the Arawak people, some form of Kibbutzim,
some communities from the Spanish Revolution ect etc.etc.
But I`m losing my time with these examples cause
I know by experience with apologists that, if you really think
it`s part of human nature to live in hierarchal societies, you`ll find
something in my examples that is matching the way you see the truth,
your Truth: the desire to believe it is against human nature to be
free within a collectivity.

By the way, freedom is not an idea or a concept you implement.
There`s no recipe or model for that.
It`s like saying, I`ve got for you a recipe for happiness.
Anyway, I wish my english could be better, I`m sure it`s
not all clear. Sorry for that.

Respectfully,
Ben



Konstantin Borodinsky wrote:

> > > If you ever read Karl Marx, you will know that democracy was supposed to
> > > exist in communism. However, communism is just another system, subject
> to
> > > corruption, especially when there is the need to protect its
> sovereignty.
> > > This is what happened in the very beginning of the Communist Revolution
> of
> > > 1917. China is another example and Cuba too. Therefore, it seems to me,
> to
> > > devise a non-system where there is no sovereignty to protect other than
> > for
> > > the individual. That is why, I would hope that our future world would be
> > 180
> > > degrees the opposite of today: mutually co-operative, self-sustainable
> > small
> > > communities. Where relationship supercedes materialism in the human
> > hierarchy
> > > of values. As well as co-operation vs. competition.. Where consensus is
> > used
> > > as the basis for group decisions. This is the most democratic form that
> I
> > > know of.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Tom O (bagelhole1)
>  ***
>  I'd be curious to know of at least one successful example of practical
>  implementation of this idea.
> It needs just a trifle - radical change of human nature.
>
>  Respectfully,
>  Konstantin Borodinsky