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Re: Saima Alvi's Contribution to Understanding by Caygill, Matthew [CES] 01 October 2002 16:51 UTC |
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Oddly the quote given doesn't contain anything like the anti-semitism that is alleged, whereas the comments about the 'whole world' and nothing needing to be said about it seemed to me like a version of the generalisation that the proposed rule 13a would prohibit - even if cast in the negative. And this sort of discourse is really a very familiar attempt to prevent criticism or opposition to Israel. > -----Original Message----- > From: lr [SMTP:luca269_up2000@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 10:23 AM > To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu > Subject: Re: Saima Alvi's Contribution to Understanding > > I have to thank you because I missed that article. It seems that you need > a second read, because it is just a collection of others' quotations. Many > of them quite factual and/or authoritative. Did you check its sources? > Regards. > l. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kessler Adam <mailto:adkes@pipeline.com> > To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu <mailto:wsn@csf.colorado.edu> > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:10 AM > Subject: Saima Alvi's Contribution to Understanding > > > > > In the 19th century it was deemed perfectly acceptable > for educated, well-meaning people to make generalizations about ethnic, > religious or national groups along the lines of: "the Irish are > drunkards," or "the Negroes are happy-go-lucky," or "the X are a > commercial race." Then around 60-70 years ago with the rapid rise of > modern racism this began to change. Expressions of this type slowly > disappeared from civilized discourse. It is unimaginable for example, for > someone on this list to utter a sentence like "the blacks are criminals,'' > even though prisons throughout America are filled with black people. > > The piece by Mark Weber which Alvi is disseminating > demonstrates that there is one people about whom such sentences can still > (or again?) be spoken: "the" Jews. The article itself consists of layers > and layers of lies, non sequiturs, and paranoia: in other words the most > standard kind of old-fashioned anti-Semitism, which is apparently > acceptable nowadays in some circles, especially on what might be called > "the stupid left." It is useless to try to disentangle such stuff. One > comment will suffice: Kofi Annan is quoted as saying that "the whole world > is demanding that Israel withdraw [etc., etc.]. I don't think the whole > world...can be wrong." The "whole world" presumably consists of the 191 > members of the U.N. Among these are countries such as Libya, Sudan and > Syria which are regarded as perfectly respectable, eligible to serve on > the U.N. Commission on Human Rights, etc. Nothing more needs to be said > about "the world." > > But I wish to make a more general contribution to > current discourse on this list and elsewhere. And that is to formulate a > set of modern debating rules. Rule 13a goes like this: > > Rule 13a: > If in the course of a debate participant P > states: the X are Y (where for X substitute a religious, ethnic national > or "racial" group and for Y substitute some attribute, positive or > negative) then P is a jerk. > >
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