Re: Taliban hatred for women?

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Alan Spector wrote:
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> I've read some about the "Witchcraze" thesis as well.  The main point of it
> is not to tie the burning of "witches" etc. solely to capitalism. Of course
> there has been oppression before capitalism, including oppression of
> heretics. The particularly interesting aspect to the "Witchcraze" thesis is
> that it was much more than just the burning of some heretics. It involved
> the massive expropriation--stealing--of property from many, many women, and
> may have been an important part of the primitive accumulation of capital at
> the beginnings of capitalism. So in that sense, there is some particular
> relevance to capitalism as opposed to a more general form of sexist or
> anti-heretical oppression.
>
> Alan Spector
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Austin, Andrew" <austina@uwgb.edu>
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> Subject: Re: Taliban hatred for women?
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shahijm2@aol.com [mailto:Shahijm2@aol.com]
> >
> > "Witchcraze" about the persecution of witches in Europe during the
> >     
> 15th/16th
> > centuries, which, on the face of it was religious persecution but she
> >       
> argues
> > convincingly that it was a holocaust against women associated with the
> >         
> rise
> > of capitalism.
> >
> > * * *
> >
> > The problem with this thesis is that the persecution of out-groups in
> >           
> Europe
> > by the church began long before capitalism - by over a millennium. It is
> > true that much of the war on heretics and witches was piecemeal for some
> > time, even after Charlemagne fused canon and civil law in 800 AD. Indeed,
> > the cultural-ideological system necessary for widespread persecution of
> > enemies of the church was not really in place until the 12th and 13th
> > century. This happened in a big way with the edicts of the Lantern Council
> > and the aggressive posture of Frederick II and Pope Innocent IV in the mid
> > 13th century. Even after the ideological basis had developed and the
> >             
> charge
> > was made, the centralization of legal machinery and the network of
> > inquisitors required for systematic mass murder would not become fully
> > developed until the 14th and 15th centuries. It is almost certain that the
> > inquisition was fed by the emergence of capitalism, for it would reach its
> > peak between the 15th and 18th centuries, and it required a great deal of
> > wealth to fed its expansion. Also during this period, the tortures of the
> > inquisition would creep beyond the church into the emerging criminal law
> > (which was much more obviously associated with the rise of capitalism).
> >               
> But
> > these facts, and the inquisition's association with the crusades, are
> >                 
> quite
> > damaging to any thesis that attempts to explain the persecution of witches
> > with capitalism's rise in Europe. The desire to consolidate the religious
> > community, which involved the need to control women who lived beyond the
> > direct control of the household dominus (under the principle of
> > paterfamilias), lead to the construction of the machinery necessary to
> > prosecute a war on the devil - and all this occurred before capitalism.
> >                   
> Why
> > women were targeted by the church in feudal Europe is rather obvious if
> >                     
> you
> > stop and think about it: they needed to be controlled by the greater
> >                       
> dominus
> > in the community, which at the time was the church. Other indications of
> >                         
> the
> > importance of religion in mass murder: Jews were the primary targets (they
> > were collectively guilty of deicide), and so were homosexuals (who engaged
> > in sex with no creative purpose, in contradiction of the transcendental
> > imperative). Such oppressions intersected, for it is quite likely that
> >                           
> many
> > of the women singled out as witches were lesbians who had organized their
> > own households.
> >
> > Andrew Austin
> >
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