Re: Kosovo and DU

and while we are at it, there was quite a massacre and displacement of Serbs
in Bosnia, wasn't there? Calling the lies about how many Kosovars were
killed a "dead horse" is treating rather lightly such a Big Lie.

and then there's the Panama Invasion, about 3,000 mainly civilian dead by
U.S. military intervention.  The epithet of "Stalinist" can carry a
pro-liberal argument just so far.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Pugliese" <debsian@pacbell.net>
To: <wsn@csf.colorado.edu>
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kosovo and DU


>   You are older than me I'd guess. You must remember the Bertrand
> Russell/J.P.Sartre war crimes tribunal around '67 or so on the Vietnam
War?
> If folks like that could put it together, sure. (used to have a pb. of a
> book published by Vintage/Random House edited by Richard Falk and G. Kolko
> on War Crimes, that was a good source) But, not the Stalinists at IAC/WWP.
>
> Michael Pugliese
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Spector <spectors@netnitco.net>
> To: WORLD SYSTEMS NETWORK <wsn@csf.colorado.edu>
> Date: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Kosovo and DU
>
>
> >But do you agree that Clinton-Gore should be brought up on War Crimes
> >charges for what they have done to the Iraqi people?
> >
> >===================================
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Michael Pugliese" <debsian@pacbell.net>
> >To: <wsn@csf.colorado.edu>
> >Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:23 AM
> >Subject: Re: Kosovo and DU
> >
> >
> >> For Alan and others...IWPR does great work. Check out the Chechnya and
> >> Balkans Update lists there too. Now that B. Plavsic is on trial, I
> >suspexct
> >> that the former Bosnian Serb leadership around madman Karazdic is next.
> >And
> >> if y'all are gonna beat this dead horse about how many Kosovatrs were
> >killed
> >> how come no one on the hard left brings up the 200,000 killed (mostly
> >> Bosnian Muslims and Croats by the Serb neo-fascists with a Red-Brown
> >tinge
> >> ala Milosevic et. al.) during the Bosnian cinflict from the early 90's.
> >That
> >> is the foreground of the later slaughter by Milosevic et. al.
> >>                                         Michael Pugliese, just another
> >> petty-boorrrjjjwwaaah liberal intelectual (with a just above minimum
wage
> >> job so I'm not sure about my P.B. class location, heh...)
> >>
> >>
> >> TRIBUNAL UPDATE 202
> >>
> >> Last Week in The Hague (December 4-9, 2000)
> >>
> >> GENERAL KRSTIC TRIAL  - Defence witness claims Mladic's intervention
> >spared
> >> Srebrenica an even worse fate
> >>
> >> KORDIC & CERKEZ TRIAL - Final witnesses called to the stand as trial
> draws
> >> to a close
> >>
> >> TUTA AND STELA CASE - Defendant pleads not guilty to amended charges
> >>
> >> CROATIAN PAPERS RISK CONTEMPT CHARGES -  Croatian newspapers warned
> >against
> >> publishing protected witness statements
> >>
> >> Tribunal Update is written by IWPR senior editor Mirko Klarin, a
leading
> >> Hague court correspondent, and Vjera Bogati.
> >>
> >> ****************** VISIT IWPR ON-LINE: www.iwpr.net **********
> >>
> >> GENERAL KRSTIC TRIAL  -  Defence witness claims Mladic's intervention
> >spared
> >> Srebrenica an even worse fate
> >>
> >> The bloodshed in Srebrenica would have been "much worse" but for the
> >> intervention of General Ratko Mladic, a defence witness in the Krstic
> >trial
> >> claimed last week.
> >>
> >> Yugoslav army general Radovan Radinovic, appearing as a military expert
> >for
> >> the defence, said the former Bosnian Serb army, VRS, commander altered
an
> >> order from the entity's president Radovan Karadzic demanding the
> >> 'elimination' of the United Nations protected area.
> >>
> >> General Radislav Krstic, former commander of the VRS Drina Corps, is
> >charged
> >> with genocide for his alleged role in the Srebrenica massacres, which
> >> claimed the lives of  at least 7,500 Bosnian Muslim men and boys.
> Krstic's
> >> defence team claim Mladic had taken over control of the Srebrenica
> >operation
> >> from the defendant before the killings started.
> >>
> >> Radinovic faced a difficult task disputing the analysis of prosecution
> >> military experts, United States military intelligence analyst Richard
> >Butler
> >> and British Major General Richard Dannett (see Tribunal Updates Nos.
182,
> >> 185 and 186).
> >>
> >> The witness served as a senior officer in the former Yugoslav People's
> >Army
> >> and its successor, the Yugoslav army. He taught at military colleges
and,
> >> during the Bosnian war, served as an advisor to ex federal president
> >Dobrica
> >> Cosic, a vocal advocate of Serbian nationalism.
> >>
> >> Radinovic began by challenging Butler and Dannett's claim that the
> >> Srebrenica operation - code named Krivaja 95 - was well-planned,
complex
> >and
> >> precisely executed. He also disputed the presence of an effective chain
> of
> >> command, with Krstic at its head.
> >>
> >> The witness said Krivaja 95 was "not a big military operation". He
> >described
> >> the battle as "small in scope and of low intensity". Progress was slow,
> >> "with small losses on both sides and a very small degree of
destruction."
> >>
> >> The aims, according to Radinovic, were to "prevent subversive terrorist
> >> incursions by members of the 28th Division [of the Bosnia-Herzegovina
> >Army],
> >> which violated the protected zone", to sever links between the Muslim
> >> enclaves of Srebrenica and Zepa, and to reduce the size of the enclave.
> >>
> >> These goals were achieved on July 9, 1995, Radinovic said, when units
> from
> >> the Drina Corps took up their planned positions on high ground around
> >> Srebrenica.
> >>
> >> Then "a crazy plan to capture Srebrenica crossed someone's mind," the
> >> witness said.
> >>
> >> Radinovic said the decision to press on into Srebrenica was made by
> >> Karadzic, who as president of Bosnian Serbs was also supreme commander
of
> >> the armed forces. Radinovic's conclusion was based on an order sent to
> the
> >> Drina Corps forward command post on July 9, 1995, which read "the
> >President
> >> of the Republic approves the continuation of the attack and the entry
of
> >the
> >> VRS into Srebrenica."
> >>
> >> Radinovic veers off at this point from the defence's basic argument
that
> >> Mladic had ordered the capture of Srebrenica and had taken over command
> of
> >> the operation from Krstic.
> >>
> >> But the witness did attribute responsibility for the crimes to the
> >> politicians and the police, who were under the control of the Bosnian
> Serb
> >> government.
> >>
> >> Due to the "balance of forces" between the VRS and the BiH Army's 28th
> >> Division, no soldier had considered capturing Srebrenica, Radinovic
said.
> >He
> >> claimed BiH troops outnumbered the Bosnian Serb forces by almost 3 to
1.
> >>
> >> "Military doctrine," Radinovic said, dictated "attackers must
> >significantly
> >> outnumber defenders" in order to capture a town.
> >>
> >> That Srebrenica did fall, on July 11, 1995, was due more to the
failings
> >of
> >> the 28th Division and the BiH Army's supreme command. The international
> >> community was also partly responsible, he said.
> >>
> >> The 28th Division failed to defend the town effectively even though it
> had
> >> sufficient manpower and arms to hold out "long enough for the
> >international
> >> community to get involved," Radinovic said.
> >>
> >> A decisive defence of the town would have forced the UN mechanism to
act,
> >> Radinovic argued. He said the international community's decision not to
> >take
> >> any action was "irresponsible".
> >>
> >> Radinovic said blame rested not only with the Dutch UN Protection Force
> >> Battalion in Srebrenica, but also with the then High Representative
Carl
> >> Bildt, UN Representative Yasushi Akashi and the commander of UN forces
in
> >> Bosnia, British General Rupert Smith.
> >>
> >> Had these officials come to Srebrenica on July 11 and 12, 1995, the
> >> 'consequences' of the town's capture could have been avoided, Radinovic
> >> said.
> >>
> >> Radinovic did not deny the mass execution of prisoners of war, but said
> >most
> >> of the casualties were the result of heavy fighting between Drina corps
> >> units and troops of the 28th BiH Army division, which were trying to
> break
> >> through to Tuzla.
> >>
> >> "The intensity of the fighting was so great," Radinovic said, "it is
> >> realistic to express the losses in the thousands, rather than
hundreds."
> >>
> >> He criticised VRS headquarters for failing to "register properly" where
> >BiH
> >> Army soldiers were buried. Radinovic said those BiH officers
responsible
> >for
> >> the decision to try and break through VRS lines must have realised what
> >the
> >> likely consequences would be and that they had in effect "sacrificed
the
> >> 28th Division."
> >>
> >> That the bulk of the Drina Corps was involved in an operation near Zepa
> >was
> >> "lucky", Radinovic said, otherwise the losses experienced by those
trying
> >to
> >> get to Tuzla "would have been even graver."
> >>
> >> Radinovic faced three and half days of cross-examination by prosecutors
> >last
> >> week. British Major Andrew Caley led the prosecution's questioning.
> >>
> >> Caley immediately homed in on the directive from Karadzic, issued in
June
> >> 1995. Radinovic described the directive as a "list of desirable aims"
and
> >> not as a binding order governing military operations.
> >>
> >> In the directive, Karadzic called for "daily planned and thought out
> >combat
> >> operations" to create "conditions and total insecurity, intolerability
> and
> >> make impossible the further survival of life of the inhabitants in
> >> Srebrenica and Zepa."
> >>
> >> Under pressure from the judges, Radinovic was forced to agree with the
> >> prosecutor this was a directive "to eliminate the Srebrenica enclave."
> >>
> >> But Radinovic insisted Mladic, in his order (directive 7.1), had
changed
> >the
> >> Karadzic directive, deliberately replacing the phrase "elimination of
> >> Srebrenica" with "active military actions around the enclave" because
he
> >> understood all too well what Karadzic's order could lead to.
> >>
> >> "It was good that he did," said Radinovic, "because the consequences
> would
> >> have been much worse."
> >>
> >>
> >> KORDIC & CERKEZ TRIAL - Final witnesses called to the stand as trial
> draws
> >> to a close
> >>
> >> The trial of Dario Kordic and Mario Cerkez, accused of crimes against
> >> Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim) civilians in central Bosnia, is finally
drawing
> >to
> >> a close.
> >>
> >> Final witnesses in the 19-month long case were called last week and
> >closing
> >> arguments from the prosecution and defence counsels are scheduled for
> >> December 14 and 15.
> >>
> >> The final prosecution witness was Halid Genjac, a member of the
> >> Bosnia-Herzegovina tripartite presidency. During the Bosnian war,
Genjac
> >was
> >> president of the Bosniak Muslim Party of Democratic Action, SDA, in
> >Travnik.
> >>
> >> "From the beginning, the HDZ [Croatian Democratic Union] obstructed
> >> municipal political life," Genjac said. "That ended in complete
> blockade."
> >>
> >> In 1992, he said, "a kind of ultimatum" was issued demanding Bosniaks
> join
> >> the Croatian Defence Force, or HVO. "We stressed recognition of the HVO
> >> government would be unconstitutional. The government in Travnik could
not
> >be
> >> named after only one people."
> >>
> >> According to Genjac, the only legal institutions in the town were the
> >> municipal presidency and the executive board.
> >>
> >> Kordic, as former vice-president of the so-called Croatian Community of
> >> Herceg-Bosna and of the HDZ in Bosnia-Herzegovina, is charged with
making
> >> the most important political decisions in central Bosnia.
> >>
> >> The defence claim Kordic exercised no political power. Genjac, however,
> >said
> >> the local Croatian leadership in Travnik "asked or quoted Kordic."
> >>
> >> Last week, the judges also accepted as evidence several documents
gleaned
> >> from Croatian archives.
> >>
> >> Of the large volume of material submitted by the prosecution, only 16
> >> documents were accepted by the judges as meeting their strict criteria
> for
> >> the admission of new evidence at such a late stage in proceedings.
> >>
> >> The documents - HVO reports, orders and the logbook of the HVO central
> >> Bosnia command - were deemed "sufficiently significant" for their
> adoption
> >> at such a late stage in the trial.
> >>
> >> At this stage, it is difficult to assess the new evidence presented
> >because
> >> not all the exhibits were read out in public and some of the
> prosecution's
> >> witnesses did not testify in open court.
> >>
> >> The new evidence includes allegations concerning Kordic's participation
> at
> >a
> >> meeting of central Bosnia political and military leaders in Vitez on
> April
> >> 15, 1993 - the eve of the Lasva valley HVO offensive.
> >>
> >> It is alleged those at the meeting laid down plans for the attacks
> against
> >> Bosniaks the following day.
> >>
> >> Kordic's defence team called three witnesses, HVO political and
military
> >> officials, to testify that the accused was not present at the meeting
and
> >> that they also knew nothing of it.
> >>
> >> Cerkez's lawyers focused on evidence implicating the accused in
> organising
> >> the attack on Ahmici on April 16, 1993, which left over 100 Bosniak
> >> civilians dead.
> >>
> >> The defence argued that reports sent by Cerkez, then commander of the
HVO
> >> Vitez brigade, to his superiors about the "advances of the HVO forces
on
> >> Ahmici" did not imply the defendant knew of or had responsibility for
the
> >> massacre in the village.
> >>
> >>
> >> TUTA AND STELA CASE - Defendant pleads not guilty to amended charges
> >>
> >> Mladen "Tuta" Naletilic and Vinko "Stela" Martinovic pleaded not guilty
> >last
> >> week to amended charges concerning their alleged abuse of prisoners.
> >>
> >> The two men were accused of forcing prisoners to carry out dangerous
> >> military tasks such as transporting ammunition across front lines and
> >> drawing enemy fire.
> >>
> >> The charges constitute violations of the laws or customs of war and -
> >> following an amendment to the indictment relating to "dangerous and
> >> humiliating labour" - grave breaches of the Geneva Convention.
> >>
> >> Naletilic, former commander of the Convicts' Battalion, and Martinovic,
> >> former commander of the battalion's anti-terrorist unit, are accused of
> >> persecuting Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims) in and around Mostar in 1993 and
> >> early 1994.
> >>
> >> The prosecution claims the defendants were responsible for attacks on
> >> civilians, illegal detention of civilians and of inhuman treatment of
> >> prisoners under their control. They are also charged with murder, the
> >forced
> >> expulsion of people and theft.
> >>
> >> Martinovic and Naletilic pleaded not guilty to all the original charges
> >> during their initial hearings shortly after their arrival at The Hague.
> >> Croatia extradited Martinovic in August 1999 and Naletilic in March
2000.
> >>
> >> Trial preparations are still underway. Pre-trial judge Patricia Wald
has
> >> asked the prosecution to reduce the number of witnesses it plans to
call
> >to
> >> between 50 and 60 and for the prosecution and defence to aim to present
> >> their respective cases within ten weeks.
> >>
> >> One unresolved pre-hearing issue is the prosecution's intention to
> include
> >> as material evidence affidavits from witnesses scheduled to be
> interviewed
> >> by representatives from the prosecutor's office.
> >>
> >> Martinovic is demanding to be present when the witnesses give their
> >> statements, because he argues this would contribute to their accuracy
and
> >> reliability.
> >>
> >> The start date for the trial has yet to be set. "What we can say now is
> >that
> >> this chamber will tell both sides some time in March when this trial
will
> >> begin," presiding judge Almiro Rodrigues said.
> >>
> >> The three trial judges have said on several occasions the cases could
be
> >> heard by a different trial chamber due to their already pressing
workload
> >> with the Srebrenica and Omarska hearings. Given the recent announcement
> of
> >> 27 additional temporary judges for the tribunal, a change of chamber
> looks
> >> even more likely.
> >>
> >>
> >> CROATIAN PAPERS RISK CONTEMPT CHARGES - Croatian newspapers warned
> against
> >> publishing protected witness statements
> >>
> >> Two Croatian newspapers, the weekly Globus and the daily paper Slobodna
> >> Dalmacija, could face contempt of court charges following their
> >publication
> >> of statements by Croatian President Stipe Mesic during a closed
tribunal
> >> hearing in 1998.
> >>
> >> The statements were given by Mesic in April 1998 during the trial of
> >former
> >> Bosnian Croat commander Tihomir Blaskic. Mesic was given protected
status
> >> and allowed to give evidence in a closed session.
> >>
> >> On December 1, the tribunal judges which originally heard the Blaskic
> >case,
> >> issued an order requesting the Croatian papers stop publishing
statements
> >by
> >> protected witnesses. The order warned, "any publication of these
> >statements
> >> and testimonies shall expose its authors and those responsible to be
> found
> >> in contempt of the tribunal."
> >>
> >> The court also asked the Croatian authorities to take steps to halt
> >further
> >> publication of the statements.
> >>
> >> But on December 6, Slobodna Dalmacija published another transcript from
a
> >> closed court session involving the Croatian president. In his
> introduction
> >> to the story, the newspaper's editor- in-chief, Josip Jovic, said he
had
> >> disregarded the Tribunal's order because "there is an understandable
> >public
> >> interest in The Hague testimony of the current head of state."
> >>
> >> "The institution of keeping secrets does not apply to newspapers,"
Jovic
> >> added.
> >>
> >> The tribunal has yet to react to the Slobodna Dalmacija article.
> >>
> >> Tribunal spokesman Jim Landale said publication of protected material
was
> >> "foolish and irresponsible". He reiterated the publication of such
> >material
> >> could constitute contempt of court. "It is up to the trial chamber to
> take
> >> what measures it thinks necessary," Landale said, adding this could
> >include
> >> summoning a person to The Hague to respond to contempt of court
charges.
> >>
> >> On December 7, the Croatian government said it had no information on
how
> >the
> >> newspapers got hold of Mesic's testimony. It said the government did
not
> >> have cited minutes of Mesic's court appearance and did not know who the
> >> sources of such disclosures could be.
> >>
> >> Immediately after Mesic appeared at The Hague, material relating to his
> >> testimony leaked to the Croatian press. The reappearance of stories two
> >> years on, and well into Mesic's presidency, suggests the revelations
have
> >> more to do with Croatian domestic politics than anything else.
> >>
> >> Criticism in Croatia that the Tribunal court order amounted to
> >"censorship"
> >> and "interference with the freedom of the media" met short shrift from
> >> prosecutor's office spokeswoman Florence Hartmann.
> >>
> >> "Publishing information given to the Tribunal through testimonies is
not
> a
> >> problem - their content will be known to the public through the court
> >> sentences in any case," Hartmann said. "But the problem is when a
witness
> >> who gave them is identified because that will affect the readiness of
> >other
> >> witnesses to make a statement before the Tribunal."
> >>
> >> "The publication of protected witnesses' names only makes it harder for
> >> prosecutors to collect information on crimes, and hence in establishing
> >the
> >> truth and administering justice."
> >>
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> >crimes
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> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Alan Spector <spectors@netnitco.net>
> >> To: WORLD SYSTEMS NETWORK <wsn@csf.colorado.edu>
> >> Date: Monday, January 15, 2001 9:05 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Kosovo and DU
> >>
> >>
> >> >Immediately just before the NATO bombing on Yugoslavia began, the
> reports
> >> >were that 2,000 Kosovar Albanians had been murdered over the past two
> >years
> >> >and that as many as 50,000, perhaps even 100,000 were about to be
> >murdered.
> >> >After the bombing, there was a massive forced displacement of Kosovar
> >> >Albanians, including the murders of an unknown number.  Despite the
best
> >> >efforts of U.S. technology, including FBI forensic experts, satellite
> >> >photos, etc, current estimates of bodies found range between 600 and
> >2,000,
> >> >and some of them might be Serbian victims.  Somewhere between 500 and
> >1500
> >> >Yugoslavians were killed as a direct result of the NATO bombing, and
it
> >is
> >> >difficult to estimate how many more deaths will result from the
> >> consequences
> >> >of bombing roads and bridges, which doubtless has caused more deaths
as
> >> >people in critical situations may be unable to get quick medical care.
> >> >
> >> >About the two years prior to the bombing and the initial US/NATO
> >rationale
> >> >of two thousand murders -- Kosovo has about 2 million people. Two
> >thousand
> >> >constitutes a murder rate of one/thousand, over two years.  Gary,
> Indiana
> >> >which adjoins my city of Hammond, has about 100,000 people and
> >> approximately
> >> >one hundred murders per year, or about one/thousand over one year.
Gary
> >has
> >> >twice the murder rate that Kosovo had.
> >> >
> >> >But that was enough of an excuse for US/NATO which was carrying on the
> >> older
> >> >imperial British strategy of destabilizing regions to keep them weak
and
> >> >vulnerable, without actually having to physically occupy them.
> >> >
> >> >It is true that some Serb military forces did commit war crimes. No
> doubt
> >> >there were individual soldiers, even perhaps some high ranking
military
> >> >officers who approved the execution of civilians. But nothing like the
> >> >ridiculous lies we were fed about 25,000 or 50,000. And if "depleted
> >> >uranium" does cause cancer among civilians, if various other actions
> such
> >> as
> >> >bombing chemical plants caused civilian deaths, then the charge of
"war
> >> >crimes" must be applied to the US/NATO effort. And all this pales in
> >> >comparison to the massive civilian deaths caused by the US led embargo
> >> >against the Iraqi people, and of course the Vietnam War. And how come
> >> people
> >> >are developing amnesia about the massive civilian deaths the U.S.
> >military
> >> >caused in Vietnam, as well as destabilizing the rest of Southeast Asia
> >and
> >> >laying the basis for many more outside Vietnam?  Why are people who
> >condemn
> >> >imperialism considered "fringe" or "hysterical"?  Because the
mainstream
> >> >liberal intellectuals serve their masters by lying outright in
> propaganda
> >> >service to these mass murderers. And no, that's not exaggeration.
> >> >
> >> >Alan Spector
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Alan Spector
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: <franka@fiu.edu>
> >> >To: <wwagar@binghamton.edu>
> >> >Cc: <wsn@csf.colorado.edu>
> >> >Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 7:23 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: Kosovo and DU
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> everything warren says is right - except the second sentence.
> >> >> there is no evidence of any such campaign, and the NATO/Brit
"defense'
> >> >> minister-now NATO head's, claim of 10,000 then 100,000 Albian
> massacred
> >> at
> >> >> Serb hands has turned out by Nato and other forenscic teams to have
> >been
> >> >> less  than 2,000 - far too many but far fewer  than necessary to
whip
> >up
> >> >> popular support for the NATO mission = to expand eastward, and of
the
> >> >> 2,000 many were Albanian combatants and others probably were also
> >> >> Serbs. And as to the alleged Serb plan that Warren refers to,
> >> >> 1. the Germans invented an alleged such plan, which was then shown
to
> >be
> >> a
> >> >> hoax, even in leaked German foreing ministry reports and [all
another
> >> >> Tonkin Gulf and incubator babies in Kuwait]
> >> >> 2. many Albanians fled into Serbia - from NATO!
> >> >>
> >> >> to beOn Sun, 14 Jan 2001 wwagar@binghamton.edu wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:37:08 -0500 (EST)
> >> >> > From: wwagar@binghamton.edu
> >> >> > To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu
> >> >> > Subject: Kosovo and DU
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The well-deserved flap about DU should not obscure the fundamental
> >> >> > evil involved in the U.S./NATO rampage against Serbia.  I do not
> >doubt
> >> >> > that Serbia had in mind a campaign that would drive many ethnic
> >> >Albanians
> >> >> > over the border, with ethnic Albanian casualties in the process
pour
> >> >> > encourager les autres.  The U.S. once engaged in "Indian wars" to
> >> effect
> >> >> > the same result.  Be that as it may.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The real point is that the United States and its "allies"
> >> >> > intervened in the affairs of a Balkan republic in the hope of
> >teaching
> >> a
> >> >> > lesson, to wit:  do not adjust your television sets, we are in
> >control,
> >> >> > and we will bomb into submission anybody who resists us.  If it
> helps
> >> us
> >> >> > to demolish your tanks by resorting to nuclear weapons, so be it.
> We
> >> >are
> >> >> > above the law, if law there be, and we will use our technology to
> >slice
> >> >> > you to ribbons.  Should any civilians on the ground die in the
> >process,
> >> >so
> >> >> > much the worse for them!  We're not trying to save them, anyway,
> >we're
> >> >> > trying to assert our hegemony.  Should any of our precious
> >peacekeepers
> >> >> > die in the process, well, we never promised them a rose garden.
> >> >Besides,
> >> >> > they're not us!  They're expendable, right?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Of course the ultimate jest is the "D" in "DU."  The uranium is
> >> >> > depleted for any serious use in weapons or energy production, but
if
> >it
> >> >> > remains radioactive for several millennia, hey, that's life!  Or
> >> >> > half-life.  Or death. ...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yours in disgust,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Warren
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
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