Re: re-2: W Wager - Centripetal & Holograhpic models

Dear Richard,

        My primary concern is the possible lack of efficacy, not fear of
outcomes.  And of course there is no one to trust but fellow human beings.
But many human beings on this planet have been acculturated to hate or
prey on other fellow human beings.  Not every local initiative works for
world peace, conservation of the earth, and universal justice.  Not every
ideological position supports the vision of a Terran and Humane Pax.  Not
every decentered action promotes such a Pax.  We do need some common
understandings about goals and values.  What else are "orchestration" and
"harmonization" but the effort to bring us together?  I would suggest that
the view from either end of the telescope is a valid view.

        Rest assured that I am not going to create or lead a World Party.
I am an elderly, quiet, obscure academician and grandfather who
occasionally throws some ideas into the global hopper, not an activist or 
a person with the slightest desire to impose my views on anybody, which is
one reason I have spent my whole life as a facilitator in classrooms,
helping students see every issue from a wide spectrum of perspectives.

        Let us all do what we can do, as best we can.  (And lest people on
this list start getting my e-mail address wrong, my last name is not
"Wager" or "Wagner" but "Wagar."  Okay?  We pronounce it "way'gur".)

        But I prefer

        Warren



On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, Richard K. Moore wrote:

> 
> 12/16/2000, wwagar@binghamton.edu wrote:
>     > ...parties, leaders, texts, ideologies, working across
>     national frontiers, and coordinating efforts. Perhaps I am
>     too mired in the past.  But why does it have to be all or
>     nothing?  Can't lateral energies and hierarchical forces
>     work in tandem, complementing one another?  I would like to
>     believe that we are entering a New Age when everybody
>     singing their own song will somehow produce a symphony, but
>     my faith in this happening any time soon is very weak.
>     
> Wagner,
> 
> Yes - even the center has a role to play in a decentraized
> world.  If a World Party comes into existence, and _if it
> manages to dispense wisdom, then it should enjoy unique
> influence.  My own efforts can be called 'centralist', in
> that they speak to overall strategy, and can claim no
> localized constituency.
> 
> Let me ask you - is your apprehension of
> decentralization based on a fear of its possible outcomes,
> or a fear of its inefficacy?  If inefficacy, then I
> understand - we are after all talking about something
> untried (unless we are able to translate honorable
> pre-civilized forms to the present age). But if the fear is
> based on outcomes, then I say leave your fear behind - if we
> cannot trust in our fellow humans, then what is the point of
> anything?  Who is there that you would trust instead?
> 
> We've tried hierarchy, for 10,000 years. Those who win that
> game are those most eager to play it - and that does not
> include anyone concerned with the human condition.
> 
> Go ahead, create a World Party; recruit the best people you
> can for it.  Bring in as much diverse representation as you
> can.  Communicate your deliberations far and wide.    But
> don't expect to be _the center of the universe.  Be _a
> fount of good ideas and _an orchestrator of collaborative 
> forums.
> 
> rkm
> 
> 
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