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Re: successes and failures of Leninism
by Wiliam Kirk
25 November 1999 21:51 UTC
Elson makes the point from the post below,
"We need a new strategy. It must be global. It must be fully
democratic and
transparent. It must not be a bureaucratic, centralized
organization. It must not
proclaim to be the vanguard and to speak on behalf
of anyone, but should be a
coalition of people and groups speaking for
themselves. I think we should consider the idea and organizational
strategy of "poor peoples of all countries unite.""
Yes, HOW do we transform the system? OK, so
I’m one of the poor, relative that is, but probably not as poor as about 80 per
cent of the world’s population. So this answer is ‘bottom-up’ or the way I see
it right now. I’d see it differently if I had a lot of cash, my main concern
would be to find ways of keeping it, ensuring that it ‘grows’, and generally
keeping quiet on ideas that might undermine ‘growth’.
However, I and
others would like to understand how a system is transformed, particularly since
the way I think about the present system may well be in error. What I perceive
about the present system, or any system, is that wealth is accrued by
adding value to resource, therefore I’d like to know how ‘resource’ is defined,
and more to the point, how is it to be managed.
For a start I might
think of a ‘primary resource’ as that under the management of each person in the
state, country or whatever boundary exists. Something along these lines was as I
understand it made by the socialist government of the UK in 1948. This was the
nationalisation of several industries, coal mining, transport, health services
and so on. For the greater part the shares held by individuals were bought by
the state whereby management of them was taken over by a bureau of the state.
Then in the 80’s came privatisation, which I in ignorance thought that
perhaps I’d get my one share in the railways, the phone system, the coal mines
and so on. Yes, whatever was I thinking? Instead the bureau sold off the whole
lot at a knock-down price so that the state might ‘save’ putting cash into them
to balance the books. Then, in the fullness of time, it transpires that all of
these industries and services were indeed very profitable.
Of course
there were all sorts of tricks going on behind the scenes to make the national
organisation appear to be inefficient and ineffective, for instance, with the
railways the service was manipulated to reduce passengers, to loose freight, cut
lines and postpone essential works of maintenance to facilitate the overall
picture of decline. Then a few years before privatisation cash was spent on
improvements, opening disused lines, building new stations, providing new stock,
all the things that were cosmetic to make the system look about right for a
potential investor. All paid for by those of us that are part of the
‘poor’.
I’m told that the sale, and the global nature of ownership, is
irreversible. Or is it? If it is reversible then I was robbed. On my own I can
do nothing, but if about half of the poor folks around the world put a dollar or
pound aside could the various governments that sold off the primary resource be
challenged in that the sale was not in the interests of the real owners? The
fact that a greater number of people are poorer now than before the big sell-off
the state did not ‘save’ cash, the sale has not improved my way of life as was
suggested before the sale.
A revolution is in progress, a select few
have become millionaires offering what is no longer a service but a machine for
making cash for themselves. So perhaps it is overdue that a few hits should be
made to test the legitimacy of the sale of the twentieth century.
William Kirk.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 24 November 1999 19:54
Subject: successes and failures of Leninism
> I'd like to put forth some serious views of the successes
and failures of
> revolutionary movements and "what is to be done"
today.
>
> The question of why Marxist-Leninist (seize the state)
revolutionary movements have
> failed is an important issue as has
recently been pointed out.
>
> It is true, that these movements in
the Americas, Africa, Asia, had international
> ties of support and vital
aid from the USSR & Cuba, and China, and that without this
> support,
they would have had a more difficult time emerging. I think it is also
true
> that the key reasons these movements failed is because of US
counter forces. Thus I
> agree that one should not underestimate the
systemic effects they had world-wide.
>
> However, I think the key
question is not their international dimensions of their
> emergence and
failure per se, but rather the emergence and failures of their goals.
>
That is, although these movements had international links, their aims and
actual
> practice was not world-wide revolution. They were not Trots
in practice. The aim
> of the post W.W.II movements was to
seize state power and effect national reforms
> along the lines of the
USSR, China, Cuba. The first half of the revolution was over
> once
state power was obtained. The second half of the revolution was a drawn
out
> process of national reforms. This is the Leninist model --
"Okay gentlemen, we shall
> now proceed to build socialism" in Russia (and
later in neighbors occupied by the Red
> Army in 1945).
>
>
One key reason that there were not more revolutionary movements thereafter,
including
> in other core areas, was that the USSR in 1921, at the
Congress of the Peoples of the
> East in Baku, adopted, as a model for all
communist struggles around the world, the
> idea of building socialism in
one country and GAVE up the international struggle for
> supporting and
creating a revolutionary movement in Western Europe, Germany above
>
all. At the same time, the new strategy was to aid national-liberation
movements
> that would become pro-USSR. The reasons for this
dramatic change in practice were
> practical: the USSR might well
have been crushed by the West (and in fact had been
> invaded in 1917) if
it did not "play the game."
>
> The backsliding continued: a
year later, Soviet Russia agreed to resumed systemic
> diplomatic and
economic relations with Western Europe. In 1933 the USSR joined
the
> League of Nations, became an ally of the West against fascism, and
in 1943, dissolved
> the Comitern. From then onward, the USSR helped
some revolutionary movements, but
> not with near as much support as it
could have. As we know, for instance, Mao was
> urged by the USSR to
compromise, and had to break away to pursue its strategy of
> seizing the
state by force. But once the CCP did, it more or less followed the
same
> pattern as the USSR with regard to not getting too deeply involved
with revolutionary
> movements. Instead, most of their energies were
spent on building socialism in one
> country -- their country.
It is quite true that the cold-war strategy was a
> deliberate attempt to
block the internalization of revolutions, but this strategy was
>
conducted by both the USSR, China, as well as the leading core
countries.
>
> Thus, we should turn to the success, in fact
failure, of the states that succeed in
> gaining state power. First,
let me state for the record that just because one
> criticizes the
Leninist paradigm, others cannot assume that the critic is
> anti-Marxist,
or whatever. I'm not arguing, as some have wrongly assumed, that
>
Leninism should never have been attempted. Mao's record, as dismal as it
is, shows
> nonetheless that conditions improved for most peasants in
China. I'm arguing that we
> must recognize the limits of this
paradigm in a world-system precisely because, as a
> recent contributor
has noted, capitalism is becoming "more and more overwhelming,
> more and
more oppressive and more and more aggressive." Those international
>
constraints indeed have become even stronger. But is this not all
the more reason
> not to adopt a "seize the state" strategy AS A
GOAL?
>
> What happened is that the goal of industrializing and
"development" was elevated
> above the goal of democracy and equality
within those countries. Was a dictatorship
> of the party, in the
name of the workers, really necessary because of international
>
constraints. I don't think so. Anyone who proposes today to build a
non-democratic
> movement in the name of the "vanguard" will not be taken
seriously (not that anyone
> on this list has made this
suggestion).
>
> Let me clarify more. It is not only true
that the movements that tried to size state
> power failed because of
international constraints, but it is also true that the
> movements that
DID succeed failed for the same reasons. International constraints
--
> the power of the core countries and their monopoly on the most
profitable activities
> of the world-economy -- are constraints which make
national developmentalism, whether
> socialist or bourgeois,
impossible. Yes, conditions can and were improved. But look
>
also at the costs in lives in the USSR and China's numerous famines.
>
> An in the end, they did not catch up to the core (itself a highly
questionable goal).
> Look at Russia today. Look at China, which,
because it has given up state socialism,
> has given up "socialism in one
country" and the international struggle of its own
> workers, and welcomes
international investment and capitalist growth opens. In my
>
travels through China, I was amazed to see rapid industrialization, ruin of
workers,
> including growing child prostitution, massive unemployment,
unstoppable corruption,
> environmental destruction on an unprecedented
scale, and so on. In short, China has
> become another
industrializing periphery because building socialism in one country
>
doesn't work. In other words, a movement that takes as its goal
national
> development, cannot succeed against the core countries, in part
because they become
> dependent on the core countries via the
international division of labor.
>
> We need a new strategy.
It must be global. It must be fully democratic and
>
transparent. It must not be a bureaucratic, centralized organization. It
must not
> proclaim to be the vanguard and to speak on behalf of anyone,
but should be a
> coalition of people and groups speaking for
themselves. I think we should consider
> the idea and
organizational strategy of "poor peoples of all countries unite."
>
> Another key question is HOW do we transform the system?
>
>
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