my congratulations with the birth of a new brave list and some
question from the country (Russia) that had major happiness of
marriage with the proclaimed ideology
On 1 Jul 98 Mark Jones <Jones_M@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote:
> Announcing the Leninist-International e-mail discussion
> list.
> The Leninist-International list has been set up, and
> will be run, by the Communist Party Refoundation, a new
> party established in Britain this year. Refoundation
> openly states its views: capitalism is headed for
> economic and ecological ruin, and is hell bent on taking
> humanity down with it. The only solution is for the
> workers and peasants of the world to overthrow the
> existing order, establish their own rule, and to proceed
> immediately to the revolutionary reorganisation of
> society from bottom to top and from top to bottom. We
> need a revolution, and a revolution is no tea party. It
> will be armed, or it will be nothing at all.
good, but how should we treat this claim? maybe it's not more than
retorics and joke?
you promised below to throw out all wasters of
time, so it seems that you are serious if you wish us to read all
this, but while reading it seriously the following questions emerge:
1. do you realize the amount of weapons in the modern world?
2. do you realize that "the revolutionary reorganisation of
society from bottom to top and from top to bottom" will involve
major part of these weapons with mass people extermination?
3. do you realize that NATO and allies have military predominance in
the modern world? are you ready, self-conscious and responsible for
alliances with Latin-American narco-revolutionaries, with Arab
terrorists, with Jirinovski etc, in your struggle with 'late
capitalism' because other political-social movements seem not to be
ready for this fight
4. modern military experts tell that the most probable weapon for
future wars will be biological weapon (very cheap and not less
effective than nuclear): when you tell "the revolution will also have to be
international" are you ready to continue and to say urbi et
orbi that you appeal for the Great Plague in Washington, Paris,
London, New-York, Chicago, Boston, San-Francisco, Tokio (to mention
only major nets of hatred imperialism)?
5. you pretend to be scientific, so we should expect that you will
use in your practice results of sudies of social
revolutions (f.e. Skocpol, Tilly, Goldstone, etc) not only Leninins
ideology of a century ago; in these terms firts you must do
everything for emergence of fiscal crises, and geopolitical strains
(preferably open defeat in the war) for initiating a real revolution;
that's why are you ready to tell everybody that you wish "the worse
the better", that you appeal for more fiscal press on common people
and defeat in war of your own country (say, US or UK)?
6. having the historical experience of past revolutions (f/e/ French
and Russian), do you realize that the first layer of revolutionaries
usually is exterminated later (with all their children and relatives)
but following layers of revolutionaries; here it is not a question
for you, we should expect that your wifes and children write in
the Internet that yes, they are ready to be arrested, tortures and
to die in the name of wonderful political ideas of their husbands and
fathers - try to organize this action, if you are reall serious
7. do you realize that real transition of political power, military,
financial, productive, ideological, and other resourses from modern
elits (really capitalist) to some 'worker-peasant' centers of power
will not be possible without decades of massive systematic
suppression of people and all citizen rights, without new KGB,
GULAGS, GESTAPOI, gas cameras, etc; tell us please, when you tell
"We need a revolution, and a revolution is no tea party. It
will be armed" - how many millions (take it seriously, why not
billions???) of people you are ready to sacrifice in the name of your
new brave world?
8. and the last question, let us be 'optimistic' (in Leninist
sense) for a moment and imagine that after all these disasters you or
your followers manage to construct some new global non-capitalist,
but Leninist regime. You are designers of this global happiness and
we, common people, wish just some guarantees: really, what are your
guarantees that there will not be again a predator bureaocracy in
this regime, no new concentration of power and resources? no new
geopolitical conflicts and wars? no new stages of ecological crisis?
no new shifts of hegemony? no new world-systems and competition?
maybe you wish to tell us like Fukuiama that the world history will
come to its end (not liberal but communist-leninist) after success of
your revolution? if so you need VERY serious arguements, please
present them to us
> The Internet was created by
> imperialism in order to strengthen its defences. We will
> use it to strengthen our offensive.
my questions must seem strange and non-polite because everybody (i
suppose including creators of the new list) understand: no, not at
all, no new shooting and bombing, no terror, no totalitarianism, to
tortures, no mass murder and rape, no plague, just a new toy for
Western left intellectuals, just a new niche for their self-promotion
and and a nice just little scandalous popularity within the same
hatred capitalism, don't worry, be happy
>
> This new list is one more weapon in our common arsenal.
> As our comrades from Turkey and Kurdistan say: We are
> right! We will win!
but after these words we can again doubt, may be Jim Hillier and Mark
Jones are really serious and really revolutionary?
if so - please answer on the questions presented above seriously,
without it one can suspise that all this staff with Lenininst
International and global Revolution is in fact not more than
non-responsible chat.
best wishes (including not to be victims of any future revolution)
Nikolai Rozov, Russia
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