Re: Hockey stick deleted ... and Visiting scientist says article contain

Hans,

I see no reason to discuss the obsolete hockey stick anymore. Let's
discuss what you said in your latest post instead.  You said:

> The 15th and early 19th century saw greater climate
> variability than present. It's only that the modellers ...

You guys (GW skeptics) blame climate modelers for everything that's
different than your views, or that you don't understand.   Global climate
change is PERSISTENT whenever GHG concentrations are high.... LESS
variability in warming and cooling intervals than when GHG concentrations
are low.   That's because HIGH GHGs dominate other variables that might
otherwise affect climate during LOW GHG intervals. LOW GHG climates
behave like the stock market  but HIGH GHG climates do not... much longer
duration PERSISTENT TRENDS.   We now have a HIGH GHG climate, which will
become sharply HIGHER, very quickly.  The result - PERSISTENT rapid
global climate warming .. air and water temperatures... and PERSISTENT
increasing humidity. 

If you want to discuss this further, join and post your reply to my new
group at Paleontology_and_Climate.  I don't plan on visiting
climate-change group much anymore.  If you decide to join,  please avoid
that hockey stick that Jim keeps going back to... he uses it as a red
herring whenever he gets stuck.  I asked Ken Johnson to help me out in
trying to silence Jim on the hockey stick,  but Ken doesn't want to waste
his time with the hockey stick either.  I can't blame him for that.

Bill Klassen, can join my new group too.  My only rules are no personally
abusive statement and no purely political posts. ...  open membership &
posting. 

Hope to see you here if you want to discuss Paleontology_and_Climate, at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Paleontology_and_Climate/

Pat

Hans wrote:
> BS Bill
> The 15th and early 19th century saw greater climate
> variability than present. It's only that the modellers
> start to look at 1860 which causes the apparent
> correlation between temperature and variability.
(snip)
Hans Erren


Subject: Re: Record Reports
On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 21:45:50 -0000 "Hans Erren" <erren21@zonnet.nl>
writes:
> BS Bill
> 
> Hans Erren
> 
> --- In climate-change@yahoogroups.com, "William M. Klassen" 
> <gawain12@n...> wrote:
> > What is especially curious about all this is we are still 
> witnessing an aggregate rise in global mean temp. This should lead any
straight
> > thinker to conclude that the weather is becoming more chaotic; 
> probably the worst possible outcome but consistent with the climate
models. 
>  We are creating a climate system of extremes with an inexorable rise 
> in overall temp.
> > 
> > Please get a copy of the article in the most recent issue 
> of "Chemical and Engineering News" on climate change. It is time for
the 
> skeptics to retreat and regroup!!
> > 
> >             Bill Klassen
> > 
> > "the I.Q. of a group decreases with the square of the number of 
> people in that group"-- unknown
> > 



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