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Re: Frank and Jones -- money and oil
by Andre Gunder Frank
21 November 2001 03:49 UTC
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Both Frank and Jones predict doom and U.S. decline -- Frank's prediction
is deflation and economic catastrophe, while Jones' is "entropic fascism."

-- far from being alternatives, they are complementary.

I must be a lousy reader - or cant get through let alone digest and even
less assimilate the 100 msg/day about all this war and all, so i did not
find the entropic fascism. however if Mark had not said it [did
you? where/how in the oil thing?] ,it would have to be invented and
certainly would be if the bottom drops even half way out. for those who
know spanish, i can supply a ditty of mine of july vintage on
COMO DISIPAR ENTROPIA POR VIA MULTILATERAL.
the essence of it is that ''the north'' generates plenty of entropy, but
by dissipating/exporting it to the  ''south'' - lately especially Russia!-
where it is absorbed and creates the social and political dissolution we
find there [that is wrongly attributed to some alleged essential/ist
characteristics of ''the south''and only part right attributed to direct
explitation of thre south by the north -- eg a la AGF mark 1 - ]  
the dissipation of the north's and most of all of the USA's entropy
to elsewhere allows the north/US to escape also the socio-political
consequenes of its entropy, that is it can ''afford democracy'' have only
2 million incarcerated but unsafe streets anyway, etc. If/when the
dissipation of entropy ceseas to be possible or possible at the recent
scale, then those chickens come alos literally home to roost - in the form
of neo-fascim among others. my multiatelal thing is to show or at least
suggest how this dissipation is organied not so much on a bilateral A>B
basis, but on a multilateral one in which ones place in the game of
musical charis is more determinant than ones productive etc capacity.
hence my attempt to re-look at how the great divergern ce [pomernaz title]
emerged in the 19th century is - in its first dfraft not even
introduction stage - entitled  LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. thats the
name of the game - and thats what Marc and I were writing about.

Now i hope that that does not sound insufficiently materialistic - no
mention of oil! -   because I do want to take advantage of this moment to
\rise to apoint of personal priviledge [that's what robert's rules of
order used to call it]. being - me AGF - the only remaining historical
materialist in this world [and umpteen times more than KM ever was], I am
of course not amused by the suggestion that Mark might be moreso than I.
agf


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