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Re: Frank and Jones -- money and oil by Andre Gunder Frank 21 November 2001 03:49 UTC |
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Both Frank and Jones predict doom and U.S. decline -- Frank's prediction is deflation and economic catastrophe, while Jones' is "entropic fascism." -- far from being alternatives, they are complementary. I must be a lousy reader - or cant get through let alone digest and even less assimilate the 100 msg/day about all this war and all, so i did not find the entropic fascism. however if Mark had not said it [did you? where/how in the oil thing?] ,it would have to be invented and certainly would be if the bottom drops even half way out. for those who know spanish, i can supply a ditty of mine of july vintage on COMO DISIPAR ENTROPIA POR VIA MULTILATERAL. the essence of it is that ''the north'' generates plenty of entropy, but by dissipating/exporting it to the ''south'' - lately especially Russia!- where it is absorbed and creates the social and political dissolution we find there [that is wrongly attributed to some alleged essential/ist characteristics of ''the south''and only part right attributed to direct explitation of thre south by the north -- eg a la AGF mark 1 - ] the dissipation of the north's and most of all of the USA's entropy to elsewhere allows the north/US to escape also the socio-political consequenes of its entropy, that is it can ''afford democracy'' have only 2 million incarcerated but unsafe streets anyway, etc. If/when the dissipation of entropy ceseas to be possible or possible at the recent scale, then those chickens come alos literally home to roost - in the form of neo-fascim among others. my multiatelal thing is to show or at least suggest how this dissipation is organied not so much on a bilateral A>B basis, but on a multilateral one in which ones place in the game of musical charis is more determinant than ones productive etc capacity. hence my attempt to re-look at how the great divergern ce [pomernaz title] emerged in the 19th century is - in its first dfraft not even introduction stage - entitled LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. thats the name of the game - and thats what Marc and I were writing about. Now i hope that that does not sound insufficiently materialistic - no mention of oil! - because I do want to take advantage of this moment to \rise to apoint of personal priviledge [that's what robert's rules of order used to call it]. being - me AGF - the only remaining historical materialist in this world [and umpteen times more than KM ever was], I am of course not amused by the suggestion that Mark might be moreso than I. agf ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ANDRE GUNDER FRANK Department of History Home University of Nebraska Lincoln [UNL] 4440 North 7th Street 612 Oldfather Apt. 107 P.O. Box 880327 Lincoln, NE 68521 USA Lincoln, NE 68588-0327 Tel: 1-402-742 7931 Tel: 1-402-472 3251=direct 2414=Dpt Fax: 1-402-742 7932 Fax: 1-402-472 8839 E-Mail: franka@fiu.edu Web Page: csf.colorado.edu/agfrank/
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