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by Alan Spector
01 August 2001 23:58 UTC
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Louis Proyect wrote this:
 
Looking back in retrospect, nearly every outburst against the war was useful but it was only the boring and respectable mass demonstrations that encouraged GI's to turn against the war.
 
 
The mass demonstrations were important, of course, but it is difficult to separate out the various components of the war. The urban rebellions, Newark, Watts, especially Detroit and the several hundred after King was killed had a very powerful impact on black GI's. While they weren't explicitly called in opposition to the Vietnam War, of course, they were part of a massive climate (including also a strike wave) that encouraged people to think more critically against the system and to be strong enough to fight back. The militant demonstrations were also important. Let's not accept the false dichotomy/choice between "peaceful demonstrations led by Democratic Party politicians" and "immature, semi-violent outburts by the "Weather(men)(Underground.) " There was also mass militancy, and that had a very positive impact on building the anti-war sentiment. Hopefully today's new (potentially) anti-imperialist can understand that.
 
Alan Spector
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis Proyect" <lnp3@panix.com>
To: "World Systems Listserv" <wsn@csf.colorado.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: what the masses do

> At 11:51 AM 8/1/01 -0700, Richard N Hutchinson wrote:
> >I don't think this points to any of the organized groups' strategies as
> >being the correct one.  It simply points to the fact that "the masses"
> >(including those shot down at Jackson and Kent State, for instance) had
> >their own views of the situation that did not correspond to the views of
> >any of the "politicos."
>
> I'd say as a rule of thumb that the Trotskyist-dominated Student
> Mobilization Committee Against the War in Vietnam was swimming against the
> stream in the 1960s and early 70s. While the rest of the student movement
> was acting out fantasies about being some kind of Vietcong within the
> American borders, SMC activists were trained--and I use the word
> advisedly--to avoid what were called "confrontations" at the time. Looking
> back in retrospect, nearly every outburst against the war was useful but it
> was only the boring and respectable mass demonstrations that encouraged
> GI's to turn against the war.
>
> This was something I posted to the Marxism list yesterday that gets to the
> heart of some of these questions in reply to Joćo Paulo Monteiro, a
> Portuguese subscriber and critical supporter of the black bloc.
>
> ====
>
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:02:03 +0100, Joćo Paulo Monteiro wrote:
> >Could it be that you're getting old, Lou?
>
> Actually I am no different than I was at 21 years old when I hooked
> up with the Trotskyist movement.
>
> Let me amplify on this since it gets to the heart not only of my
> political beliefs but how I have led my life. Part one is a reply I
> offered today on the alt.politics.socialism.trotsky newsgroup to a
> former member of the Healyite organization. Part two is an expansion
> of the story found in part one.
>
> Part one
>
> "Stephen R. Diamond" <
stephend15@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "But, let me ask you this: what is the mechanism by which protests,
> even mass protests, contribute to radicalization? This is more an
> honest question than you probably will realize."
>
> It depends on what you mean by radicalization. I was not radicalized
> by demonstrating against the war. Instead it encouraged me to believe
> that I was not alone in opposing the war. My first demonstration was
> in NYC in 1966, which brought out more than 40,000 people. It was the
> inaugurating event of the 5th Avenue Peace Parade Committee, a
> coalition of the SWP, the CP and pacifists.
>
> Prior to this demo I was utterly convinced that I was the only person
> in NYC opposed to the war. I was a philosophy student at the New
> School Graduate Faculty and had never really given much thought to
> politics. I identified with Camus, Nietzsche, etc.
>
> Leading up to the demonstration, I noticed posters and stickers
> showing up all over the place. On the subways and on lampposts.
> Little did I suspect that these notices would touch a nerve in so
> many people.
>
> After the demonstration, I began talking politics more and more with
> classmates including a guy named Arthur Maglin, who was in the SWP.
> He seemed to have many answers but I found him totally inflexible.
> Why couldn't electing better Democrats end the war? I wouldn't admit
> it to him but I sort of knew the answer to this myself. I had voted
> for LBJ, like a shmuck. Look what it got me. As much as I found
> myself annoyed with Maglin, I kept talking to him.
>
> Finally about a year later, I went to work in Harlem as a welfare
> investigator and discovered real poverty for the first time in my
> life. I was completely shocked. Then, 5 months into the job, Detroit
> exploded.
>
> Everything Maglin had been telling me now started to make sense. I
> asked him about classes on socialism and he was happy to oblige. So
> while this does not really answer your question about the effect of
> mass demonstrations, it does point in the direction of a *process*.
>
> All I can tell you is this. If the SDS demonstration in Washington
> the previous year had the character of the Genoa protest, I never
> would have left my apartment to demonstrate in NYC.
>
> Part 2
>
> If there was anything I was not interested in at this point, it was
> the "new left" SDS'ers who appeared to be nothing but pipe-smoking
> sociology grad students at the New School. Sitting around the
> cafeteria holding endless bull sessions about "elites" and
> "domination," the last thing on their mind seemed to be concrete
> activity against the war in Vietnam. As the rough equivalent of the
> "autonomists" of their day, I suppose that their reliance on C.
> Wright Mills and Herbert Marcuse was a step up from Hardt and Negri.
> Years later I discovered that many, if not all of them, were "red
> diaper babies" who were educated in "progressive" values by their CP
> parents, but were hostile to the notion of revolution, "democratic
> centralism", the working class as agent of change or any of the stuff
> they heard around the breakfast table growing up.
>
> As I was looking for was the most serious, disciplined and focused
> revolutionary organization around, the SWP seemed to fit the bill.
> However, like most radicals, I was not above doing a little "shopping
> around". Victor Marrow, another classmate at the New School who was
> also my room-mate for a time at Bard College, was a contact of the
> Maoist Progressive Labor Party, which was considered much more
> fire-breathing than the SWP. One of their African-American leaders,
> Bill Epton, had been arrested for fomenting a riot in
> Harlem--something that was a real plus in my eyes.
>
> So while taking introduction to socialism classes with the Trotskyist
> SWP on one evening, I'd take the same kind of class with the Maoists
> on another. Jake Rosen, the PLP class leader, was highly touted by
> Victor, since he was a carpenter. The image of a Maoist hardhat was
> certainly appealing, but--alas--the reality was anything but. Jake,
> who sat cross-legged on his sofa in his bare feet, while picking at
> his toes, had little else to say except that "society was divided
> into classes" and that "only the working class had the power to
> change society". Not I was getting the same thing from the SWP in a
> more sophisticated version, they were obviously much more deeply
> involved with the Vietnam antiwar movement. Furthermore, they weren't
> into the cult of Stalin as the PLP was. Mao was okay with me-Stalin
> definitely not.
>
> When I came into join the SWP, they introduced me to Eddie Shaw, the
> branch organizer in NYC. Eddie was not only about the same age as my
> father, but dressed identically when he was in his weekend "good
> clothes". This meant a blousy short-sleeved white shirt with vents in
> the sleeves and gray gabardine pants. The big difference between him
> and my old man was the large tattoo on his bicep, which Jews were
> prevented from wearing for liturgical reasons (you had to leave the
> world the same way you came in, or else you couldn't get buried in a
> Jewish cemetery. I never heard of anybody actually being banned in
> this fashion.)
>
> At this meeting I learned a little bit about Eddie. He was in the
> merchant marines during WWII, where he was recruited by the
> Trotskyist movement, and also when he got the tattoo. During the
> early 1960s he became the national chair of the Fair Play for Cuba
> Committee and a highly visible "subversive" in FBI terms. The day
> that JFK got shot, Eddie returned home to discover his apartment
> building surrounded by NYC police cars. They were looking for him.
> This was no accident since one of the most famous pictures of Lee
> Harvey Oswald shows him with a rifle in one hand and a copy of the
> Militant, the SWP newspaper, in the other.
>
> Another high-profile Trotskyist from Eddie's generation could also be
> seen in the headquarters all the time. He was high-profile in more
> ways than one. At 6'5" tall and 350 pounds, Fred Halstead could not
> be missed even in a crowd. Now in charge of the party's antiwar work,
> he was a garment cutter during most of the 1960s. During the 1950s,
> when he was on a black list, he worked for a time as a bouncer in
> "redneck" bars in Los Angeles.
>
> Fred was a sailor in WWII who became involved in a mass movement that
> was key to the party's understanding of the strategic goal of the
> antiwar movement. Stationed with tens of thousands of other GI's in
> the Pacific arena, Fred discovered that they were not being shipped
> home after Japan surrendered. The word went out that they were going
> to be redeployed against the Chinese revolution. When word of this
> spread out, radicals in the military ranks organized a huge "Bring Us
> Home" movement that ultimately forced the US to pull back. One of the
> key organizers was Ernie Mazey, a UAW sitdown strike veteran, who
> Fred mentions in his pamphlet on the movement. What he does not
> mention unfortunately is that Ernie was a central leader of the
> Cochranite opposition.
>
> Although the "Bring Us Home" movement was never widely discussed in
> the party press, there is little doubt that everything it did was
> calculated to replicate something like this in the Vietnam war. In
> plain English, their goal was to foment a troop revolt. In order to
> accomplish this, the peace demonstrations had to be very
> "respectable" or else the GI's would have never considered joining
> the movement. While the GI's might be won over in the process-and
> they were-the pipe-smoking sociology majors in SDS at the New School
> would not be. That was fine with me.
>
> Although Fred Halstead is long dead and the SWP no longer resembles
> the organization I joined--even if you squint--I still retain the
> vision of what they were trying to do. For me the purpose of a
> revolutionary movement is not to galvanize the already radicalized
> into some kind of "affinity group" in black masks or white coveralls,
> it is to reach the masses who have the power not only to end a war
> but change society. While this work can be frustrating at times, it
> is the only one that can have a real pay-off in the end.
>
> Louis Proyect
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