Re: Taiwan, capitalism, socialism, and mass murder

Dear WSN
There are whitelies,  lies and statistics.  I wonder how
the figure "40" is complied?
Of course, there is physical count.  There are also estimates.
Then, the question is whose estimates? That of the KMT or the Communist
Party?  That of the Kremlin or that of the White House?
As a student, one thing I have learnt, "what is true on one side of
the Pyrenees is falsehood on the other".
Mr. Milo Jones, shall we keep counting, or keep guessing?
K.S.Tso.

InvictusCapPart@aol.com wrote:

Interesting and distressing.

One possible hypotheses as to why the "drumbeat goes on about how
"capitalism" is "inherently more favourable to human rights.....etc. etc." is
the question of  scale & intentionality:  the two largest self-styled
socialist regimes (the USSR and the PRC) appear to have contributed directly
to the deaths of at least 40 million people between 1925 and 1965 (via
collectivisation of agriculture and the Great Leap Forward, respectively).
Capitalism probably contributed to a large  number of deaths during the same
period (some of which you name below), but often deaths from capitalism are
the result of neglect rather than intentional, large-scale attempts to alter
the human condition/world system.  I would say that it is the difference
between second-degree murder and manslaughter.  While it would make little
difference to the victims, it may have some explanatory value (as might the
fact that most media & history is written by capitalists).

Regards,

Milo Jones
Invictus Capital Partners

Subj: Taiwan, capitalism, socialism, and mass murder
Date: 26/04/2001 15:29:44 GMT Daylight Time
From:    spectors@netnitco.net (Alan Spector)
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wsn@csf.colorado.edu (WORLD SYSTEMS NETWORK), ahs-talk@ncsu.edu
 
 
 

Note from Alan Spector:

The following excerpt is from a British Broadcasting Company (BBC) project on
the history of Taiwan. I found it interesting, because in all the debates
over the various repressive measures taken by capitalist and socialist
regimes, there is an overwhelming tendency to minimize or completely cover up
massacres by capitalist regimes which are labeled "democratic" while roften
inflating statistics on the deaths caused by socialist regimes. For example,
Cuba is continually referred to as a regime which "violates human rights" and
the U.S./British media continues to focus on the deaths of perhaps 1,000
people during the Tienamein Square protests. In the past, we have mentioned
obvious incidents, such as the anti-communist repression in El Salvador and
Guatemala which killed perhaps 180,000 people, the U.S. organized fascist
coup in Chile which killed tens of thousands, and the U.S. organized fascist
coup in Indonesia that killed perhaps 500,000!  Here is another story.
Considering the relatively small population of Taiwan at the time, a
"massacre of perhaps 18,000-30.000 " people makes any discussion of Castro's
Cuba, or even gangster Milosevic's Yugoslavia look pale by comparison. But
yet the drumbeat goes on about how "capitalism" is "inherently more favorable
to human rights.....etc. etc."  I'm sure there are dozens more countries
where situations like this happened, in addition, of course to the other
unnecessary deaths from things like measles (40,000 in Ethiopia alone),
malaria, cholera, AIDS, etc. etc. These situations should be discussed more
actively in courses we teach.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/asia_pacific/2000/taiwan_elec

tions2000/1945_1949.stm
 

With the end of World War II Taiwan was handed over to the control of
mainland China, under the Kuomintang (nationalist) government of General
Chiang Kai-shek. The move brought to an end more than 50 years of Japanese
control.

Chiang moved quickly to formalise the island's status as a province of China.
On Taiwan itself liberation from Japanese rule was initially welcomed, but
many quickly came to resent the corruption of the new government and what was
seen as the exploitation of Taiwanese resources for mainland post-war
reconstruction. Taiwanese industry, which had been closely tied to Japan, was
redirected to supply the needs of the mainland and the island's economy slid
into crisis. Unemployment soared and, as protests grew, a brutal crackdown
took place in 1947.

In what became known as "the White Terror" an estimated 18,000 - 30,000
members of the island's native-born political and academic elite were
executed as Chiang's government asserted its control. For decades afterwards
the government insisted the action was a crackdown on communists and
gangsters.

As the war with the Japanese came to an end, on the mainland the civil war
with Mao Zedong's communist forces resumed more fiercely than ever with the
communists increasingly gaining the upper hand. As defeat loomed hundreds of
thousands of Chiang's soldiers defected to the communist side.

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