Re: More reactionary acts

All personal attacks, nonsense and name dropping. No wonder why you are thrown 
off the
socialist registrer list. Isn't it obvious?  You cannot deal with the argumets 
without
labeling. Jared's calling of Kosovars "rubbish" is another straight nonsense 
*lie* you
are making up-- the same kind of  NATO rubbish you are defending.


Mine

michael pugliese wrote:

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> I confess, I supplement my $7.00 hr. job(plus health benefits,
> it's shitty wage but the bennies pull it up to anequivalent os
> say 10 an hr. a princely sum...) in the 2nd most expensive houising
> market in the USA with pay-offs from NATO, MI5 and the CIA! Yup,
> Mine you can tell Lou and Jared that Michael the fink has revealed
> his true colors!
>    Your style of invective is so fresh, why it's right out of
> a style guide written by a CPUSA hack like V.J. Jerome circa
> '37 manufacturing lies about "Trotskyite-Fascists".
>   Your line I don't quite comprehend though. Are you saying that
> NATO cooks up these conspiracy theories to rebut their
> opponents in their psywar dept., and then they transmit their
> directives to people like me (where is that VENONA codebook?)
> so I can polemicize against Jared et.al.?
>    Whatever linkages I've been able to find, some by searching
> diligantly, some found by accident, between Jared and Chossudovsky
> and actors of a far right cast (the paleo-cons at Chronicles,
> the Truth In Media racist Buchananite, Serbo-Canadian right-wing
> supporters of Karazdic and Milosevic) are, motivated by a desire
> to show the moral and strategic deadend that their united front
> with the Right (Unite with all forces no matter their underlying
> reactionary nature if they have a tactical utility in a grand
> coalition against the New World Order. Jared's writing as others
> on the Leninist-International listserv like Owen Jones and Johannes
> Schneider [http://www.geocities.com/leninist_international/kosovo.htm
> ])
> (both operating out of the Trotskyist tradition) have shown has
> shown a shocking level of ethnic scapegoating
> (calling Kosovars, "rubbish") and slavish identification with
> a corrupt, bureaucratically deformed ruling caste that
> split apart Yugoslavia, engaged in wars in Bosnia and Kosovo
> that killed tens of thousands, and grabbed as much of the formerly
> state owned assets as they could for their own benefit. (Another
> favorite in my memory bank of outrageousness from Jared, his
> screed on Susan Sontag in tenc denying the rape of Bosnian woman
> or the killing of thsands in Srbenica in '92)Now, if you want
> to distort what is essentially a neo-Trot argument into NATO
> apologetics, I guess I can't stop you. No wonder why Doug Henwood
> calls you an idiot.
>   Geting thrown off of Proyect's list last year is now a badge
> of pride on my part. Geting thrown off the Socialist Register
> list I'm not proud of my childish antic that got me throwen of.
> But the Latter was a post composed entirely
> of Proyect's own scatological profanity and invective.
>    If whoever "runs" this list wants to throw me off for questioning
> the progressive cred of J. Israel et.al. O.K.
> whatever. Something makes me think that the periodic needling
> I throw in the direction of the Milosevic fan club
> gets a bit under their skin, otherwise why would Israel, Proyect,
> Mine and Stainsby (hmm, sounds like a law firm for Stalinist
> hacks) react so vociferously to the polemics of
> another leftist, albeit one from quite a different trend and
> tradition than their one which first and last principle seems
> to be, "The Enemy of my enemy is my friend." Cliche yes, I know,
> but sometimes cliches are true. And one of these days, you all
> might have your Kronstadt or Stalin-Hitler Pact shock at how
> the forces you identify with were not as you thought. But, I
> kinda sdoubt it.
>                            Michael Pugliese
>
> >--- Original Message ---
> >From: Mine Aysen Doyran <mine25.1@netzero.net>
> >To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu
> >Date: 1/18/01 6:12:34 AM
> >
>
> >>I needed more sectariana to add to my hard drive! Paul, I don't
> >discount
> >your committment. What's wrong about joining some less far loony
> sect?
> >Committees of Correspondence? Solidarity? Whatever...
> >
> >>Little did I think all those yrs. ago I was an undergrad reading
> >Wallerstein's MWS vols. that I'd find a list of suppossed
> >Wallersteinians,
> >where one person writes extensively for a crackpot New Age conspiracy
> >theory
> >rag and someone else was in PLP. The internut indeed...
> >
> >                                                    Michael
> Pugliese, I
> >
> >What is this reactionary spam about progressives? I am inviting
> the
> >moderators to take an action concerning Michel Pugliese. Not
> only he
> >publicly exposes people who are progressives just because he
> finds them
> >leftist for his taste (including Jared Isreal and other leftist
> >activists writing for  _Emperor's Clothes_  like Michael C.),
>  but also
> >makes personal comments about people he has no idea about, such
> as
> >world system theorists (btw, he does not even know Jared,  except
> for
> >hearsay and supposition). For the record, Mr. Pugliese has been
> removed
> >from marxism mailing list and socialist register discussion
> group for
> >misbehaving and baiting progressives with conspiracy theories
> of  NATO
> >sort.
> >
> >How long will the moderatos allow the kind of comments exposed
> above?
> >
> >--
> >Mine Aysen Doyran
> >Ph.D Student
> >Department of Political Science
> >SUNY at Albany
> >Nelson A. Rockefeller College
> >135 Western Ave.; Milne 102
> >Albany, NY 12222
> >
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