Re: Brenner debate? (fwd)

I would like to say that I find Gunder's analytic work outstanding.  I hope
he continues to give his analysis of the WORLD historical
economic factors at work. I think it needs to be given regularly to keep us
focused and because nobody seems to listen or respond or debate or discuss
it.  And yet it is, arguably, the most important topic we could be
discussing or debating.

Roz
At 07:47 PM 4/12/00 -0400, Gunder Frank wrote:
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>My professional/personal conclusion is the same as Pogo's - 
>            We have met the enemy, and it is US 
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>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:31:07 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Gunder Frank <agfrank@chass.utoronto.ca>
>To: H-NET List for World History <H-WORLD@h-net.msu.edu>
>Subject: Brenner debate?
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>I read on H-world with astounding amazement:
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>As Grigera shows, Brenner has launched a debate which many will surely
>join.  Several issues of academic journals whose canvas is global have
>engaged Brenner's new thesis.  The debate is of enormous contemporary
>policy significance.
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>Indeed my amazement at the above mentioned novelty and debate was even
>geater than that at reading my good old personal friend Bob's article/book
>in the first place,  since in it I found only what I myself had already 
>written in  1975-1978 and published in CRISIS: IN THE WORLD ECONOMY  and
>CRISIS: IN THE THIRD WORLD [New York:Holmes & Meier, London: Heineman
>1980/81, approx 700 pp in all]. Moreover I followed it up in 1985-86
>with an article about the length of Bob's, which NO one in the US or UK
>was willing to publish, so that it appeared in bits and pieces and under
>various titles as "Is the Reagan Recovery Real or the Calm Before
>the Storm?" [correct answer is the storm of course] published in India
>and Yugoslavia, "The Next Recession Threatens Deflationary Depression"
>also in Yugoslavia, and "The Perils of Economic Ramboism:The Next
>Recession Threatens Deflation and Depression" published in New York, New
>York,  United States of America by the Union for Radical Political
>Economics in its THE IMPERILED ECONOMY:LEFT PERSPECTIVES ON
>MACROECONOMICS [1987], where alas my piece offered the only
>perspective on the real coming of real  DEFLATION [you can and do now buy
>up Russian raw materials and nuclear scientists for 99 cents] and 
>DEPRESSION [no worse in Russia, Eastern Europe, Africa, Latin America and
>now parts of Asia than ever in the 1930s]. That 1985/86 piece also
>contemplated the regionalization of the world into three
>American, European and Asian "blocks."
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>Not only did my 1978 analysis predict why the 1979-82 recession would come
>but also why the inevitable policy responses would make it and the 
>following [Reagan] "recovery" worse. Moreover, my 1985-86 piece did the
>same again for the recession that would arrive in 1989 and last in 
>the West till 1992 and in Eastern Europe till today. Indeed of course
>although hardly anybody East or West wishes to observe, the very
>"Revolution of 1989" and the breakup of the Soviet Union, not to mention
>the literally devastating consequences, were themselves the direct
>consequences of the 1989-1992 recession in the West [see my "What Went
>Wrong in the "socialist " Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, published
>several times and places]. 
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>And unlike Bob, I already incorporarted all this in my world economic
>analysis  in the 1970s [Long Live Transideological Enterprise: The
>Socialist Countries in the Capitalist International Division of Labor}, 
>the 
>1980s [The European Challenge,a US/UK 1983 book] whch predicted, no matter
>ideology, East West European integration with the East depedent on the 
>West no, and the 1990s six months before the wall came down the
>"enlargement" of Europe, and before the Soviet Union broke up that it 
>would  -- but all this based on an analysis of the WORLD historical
>economic factors the at work. 
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>So what is the connection with world history?
>THAT is the connection. We must study WORLD history - and the REAL motor 
>forces within it - to understand what happens in any part of it... and
>why. Alas, even the new  Bob still refrains from doing THAT, even though
>the old Bob received my 1970s WORLD economic stuff when I was his
>houseguest in 1981 and my 1985/86 article when I visited him in 1986.
>If he had ever paid attention, perhaps the closing section in this latest
>piece would not be as weak as it unfortunately is.
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>respectfully submitted
>gunder frank
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>                     ANDRE GUNDER FRANK
>          Visiting Professor  of  International Relations       
>University of Miami           &         Florida International University  
>
>380 Giralda Ave. Apt 704                Tel: 1-305-648 1906
>Miami - Coral Gables FL                 Fax: 1-305-648 0149
>USA  33134                              e-mail:agfrank@chass.utoronto.ca 
>
>Personal/Professional Home Page> http://csf.colorado.edu/archive/agfrank/
>
>My NATO/Kosovo Page> http://csf.colorado.edu/archive/agfrank/nato_kosovo/
     
>
>My professional/personal conclusion is the same as Pogo's - 
>            We have met the enemy, and it is US 
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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