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Fw: More on: Why socialism failed...human nature or social/political/economic relations?

by Spectors

25 November 1999 00:36 UTC


I originally wrote a slightly shorter version of this for the Progressive Sociology Network, but based on Elson's recent comments, I thought it might be relevant here also. This was written before I read Elson's comments and I wasn't referring to Elson's points in particular.  As always, apologies in advance for those who read it on PSN.....

 

pstevens asked: "What were the two (serious socialist experiments)? I referred to.
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In all these things, it is not easy to draw lines As a biologist friend of mine told me, in nature there is no such thing as "genetics", "biochemistry", "biophysics", and "molecular biology."  There is just what nature is and does, and we create the boundaries as ways of trying to understand particular processes.  I see "socialism" as a political-economic system.  "Government ownership" is not the essence of socialism, at least not in any Marxist sense. In Marx' sense, socialism was meant as a stepping stone to communism and presumably had some of the seeds of communism embedded in it -- namely, expropriation of the wealth of the biggest business and a planned economy that would do away with the chaos of crisis of overproduction. 
 
(Favorite examples of liberal socialists, like Sweden, are not socialist in a Marxist sense. Sweden, sweet, peaceful, utopian-modelled Sweden, makes a lot of its wealth selling weapons all over the world; the prosperity of the Swedes, like the rest of Western Europe and the U.S., comes from the fruits of imperialist exploitation of workers in other parts of the world.)
 
BUT equally important with the planned economy and expropriation of the wealthy, socialism would require a political-economic system where decisions were made that served the interests of the great majority (this implies protecting "minorities" hopefully by doing away with "minority" status), including the push towards egalitarianism and the political empowerment of the great majority of people (WHICH IS NOT SYNONYMOUS WITH FORMAL ELECTIONS, HOWEVER. Formal elections are often a camouflage to hide the control by an elite, and conversely, one can have the empowerment of the masses without the kinds of formalistic elections held in the U.S. or India, for example, although developing the institutions and processes to guarantee that empowerment is an enormous challenge.) The problem with calling for more "democracy" is that it begs the question of how it will be enforced. To simply declare that the leadership should be "democratic" does not ensure that. One or another group WILL consolidate power. If those who are unselfishly committed to communism relinquish power to those who favor exploitation, how does that serve the interests of the people?
 
Admittedly, having a group that consolidates power can facilitate the concentration of power by a "red bourgeoisie" who will use that power to oppress others. But it was not "lack of formal democracy" that led to the demise of the USSR. Arguing for formal electoral democracy will not guarantee genuine "power to the people" since control of the military will still be decisive in the short term. The only "guarantee" is to develop heightened sensitivity on the part of the working class to be ultra-skeptical of any kinds of rationalizations for privilege for any group, and in particular, to hold the leadership up to higher standards than anyone else, rather than making leadership be an opportunity for privilege. Even this is no guarantee, but general liberal comments about "being more democratic" will guarantee nothing and can actually MASK corruption. In the end, it is only the consciousness of the masses that will prevent the re-emergence of privilege and capitalism, and the responsibility of the leadership is to nurture that consciousness, first and foremost, as well as set an example by living those principles.
 
The problem, which should be analysed in more depth elsewhere, is not simple elitism. This Weberian-Pareto-human nature theory locates the collapse of socialism in the structures of the human brain as expressed either through "human nature" or in some kind of essential process that inevitably develops when humans organize together (bureaucracy, etc.) rather than as something LEARNED through the social/political/economic relations that exist in the society.  It wasn't lack of democracy, per se, it was lack of communist economic and social relations (by which I mean empowering the masses also.) I think that there wasn't ENOUGH communism in the USSR & China. Lenin and others reluctantly supported the policy that paid engineers more than trash collectors, and maintained commodity production. The hope was that the efficiency of the system would provide such abundance that the gap between the more and less wealthy would eventually disappear, especially when combined with education of the society, especially youth, with communist (unselfish) morality.  In fact, what happened was that in addition to engineers, it was also generals, and party leaders who were given special privileges. Their children were sent to "better" schools. Selfish, individual material incentives existed side-by-side with communist unselfish ("This is good for the whole society/world") types of incentives. Combined with nationalism, intensified by the Nazi assult and magnified by the probable disproportionate self-sacrificing deaths of the MOST unselfish forces during the war against the Nazis -- and it becomes clear that all these processes towards collapse were seriously developing before the 1950's. Neither Stalin's policies nor Lenin's should be exempted from evaluation and sharp criticism, but it sinks into the depths of folklore and HBO bourgeois pop-psychology to try to explain the collapse of the USSR as based on the personalities of these people. In any case, Kruschev was clearly the first Soviet leader to openly, proudly, and without shame embrace major aspects of capitalist development and stratification, but as I said at the beginning, the lines between what we call "qualitative difference" must be understood in the context of the growing developments that preceeded that change.
 
I'd say that the USSR and China, each for a number of years, did seem to be the "socialist half-way steps" on the road to communism with struggles going on inside those countries and inside those communist parties, but that the state capitalist forces were securely consolidated in the USSR by the 1950's, and in China by the late 1960's. The overall standard of living did improve dramatically, but I don't think that is the main point. The ability to mobilize the Soviet people to destroy the Nazi military (no---it wasn't Schindler or the Private Ryans) was also very, very important, although there were elements of nationalism combined with unselfish communism in that effort. The crucial change would be the development of political-economic institutions and processes that would move the country further towards a classless society, and while there were important steps in that direction as well, the old "habits" as Lenin called them, of capitalist relations were not sufficiently overcome and eventually triumphed.
 
There is a false debate between "world revolution" versus "socialism in one country."  Obviously the leadership of the USSR in the 1920's--1940's would have supported "world revolution", and they understood the enormous difficulties of trying to maintain socialism in one country against the capitalist world!  Sometimes a victory is won in one place and has to be consolidated before a revolution can move forward. On the other hand, there were destructive, Russian-nationalist ideas and policies that did undermine the development of genuine internationalist communist consciousness.
 
Eastern Europe was mainly controlled by the Red Army or its local allies. Important reformist aspects of socialism were instituted to the short term betterment of the people, but there was no serious empowerment, and by the 1950's there was the same embracing of stratification in those places -- whether the small capitalist/cooperative/syndialism of Yugoslavia (which also survived in part because the US government wanted to use it against the USSR) or at the opposite extreme, the coronation of a new royal family posing as communists in Rumania.  Cuba is a more complex case. Castro (and especially Che) did overthrow capitalism and did try to establish steps towards communism. But early on, Cuba became so utterly tied to the corrupt USSR that it became an anomaly -- supporting the neo-imperialism of the USSR's invasion of rebellious Czechoslovakia (whose rebellion itself was led by pro-CIA rebels!) and gradually abandoning socialism in favor of more capitalist economic relations. In foreign policy, it moved far away from revolution. In some ways its relationship to the USSR  was similar to Israel's connection to the U.S. ONLY IN THE SENSE that the USSR saw it as an important political-military outpost and was willing to spend extra money to raise the standard of living there. In some ways its relationship to the USSR also tied it to the capitalist economy as the economy still remained largely sugar-based, creating a dependency on world capitalist market forces.
 
In any case, I think the notion of "socialism" even in its best sense, is flawed because it requires that the most committed to egalitarianism forces -- the leadership, the "party" (whatever specific ways that would function which is also an important, unresolved question)--- that these forces would be publicly embracing the inequality that justifies capitalism. Maybe this sounds utopian, but I guess I think it is utopian to believe that we can inject or nurture large elements of capitalism in a society that has been struggling against capitalist exploitation, thereby justifying capitalist consciousness in the society, and somehow believe that these capitalist elements will be overcome and the productive forces of abundance will automatically lead to a classless society.
 
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Well, that's one way of looking at it -- at odds, I suppose with the liberal interpretation, the Weberian "anti-democracy" thesis, the liberal-socialist interpretation, the trotskyist (weberian?) interpretation, and even the "Lenin/Stalin/Mao should never be contradicted" interpretation. It remains to others, especially genuine Marxists in the Eastern European countries (& China) to do the serious research to examine more deeply how these processes developed.  I hope this thesis can stimulate more constructive analysis of these developments.
 
 
 
Alan Spector
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: pstevens
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 4:18 AM
Subject: RE: Why socialism failed...human nature or social/political/economic relations?

I think that Alan Spector makes a good point about the long-term attempts of capitalism to establish and entrench "itself" vis-a-vis feudalism. Perhaps I have missed something somewhere in terms of his saying that "there have only been two serious socialist experiments", i.e. what were the "two?"
 

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