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Take me off

by Elizabeth Trice

16 September 1999 22:18 UTC



Please!
I've been trying to get off this list for 3 months. 
If I'm not writing the right address someone please tell me who to
write.
Thanks!
--- Spectors <spectors@netnitco.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> The information about how the imperialists have
> backed the Suharto-Indonesian fascists is
> interesting and important, but not that mysterious.
> What is more subtle and interesting, from my point
> of view,  is why some sections of the ruling class
> are suddenly appearing to be sympathetic to the East
> Timorese. After all, the liberals are the ones who
> are more likely to win over the working class to
> support imperialism.
> 
> Here are some ideas. They are NOT based on any
> specific data, other than some general scenarios as
> to how U.S. imperialism has worked in the past. But
> these scenarios are not that useful until someone
> comes up with some more specific data.
> 
> Scenario #1 -- The U.S. wants to keep Suharto in
> power but thinks that if he backs down on East
> Timor, and maybe gives in on some of his holdings,
> etc. both the U.S. and Suharto will be able to keep
> some sort of moderate, pro-U.S. govt. in power in
> East Timor, but if the Indonesians are too fascist
> against East Timor, it will drive the Timorese
> towards some other imperialist power.
> 
> Scenario #2 -- The U.S. is pissed off at the Suharto
> family (kind of like Marcos of the Phillipines) and
> would like to replace him with someone less
> personally corrupt because the pro-Suharto military
> might decide to become more independent of U.S.
> imperialism on its own.
> 
> Scenario #3 -- The U.S. is WORRIED SICK about the
> possibility that the Suharto family will be
> overthrown in Indonesia and some completely
> unpredictable group might come to power, perhaps
> even Islamic fundamentalists who might make an
> alliance with Iran, or with political-Islam
> militants in the Phillippines or otherwise make big
> trouble for the U.S. such as happened with the
> Ayotollah Khomeni in Iran. So to prevent that
> uprising, the U.S. is preparing to consider the
> Aristide-Mandela-Aquino solution (dump Suharto for a
> more reliable pro-imperialist who has some support
> among the working class) and is therefore distancing
> itself (a little--not too much since the pro-Suharto
> military is still VERY STRONG--but a little) from
> the Suharto family -- just in case.
> 
> 
> Of course, it can be a combination of these three,
> since imperialism likes to bet on all horses. But
> this is just speculation. Perhaps someone out there
> has some more solid information as to why some in
> the U.S. government and media seem to be critiquing
> the pro-Suharto military fascists.  (Please don't
> say "because they are interested in human rights.
> Not after Guatemala, etc. etc.)
> 
> Alan Spector
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