Re: pie and getting the DOL straight (fwd)

>> what about soviet socialism then? was it just a pawn?

>Why don't you read what IW writes about Communist states (as anti-
>systemic movements with state power)?

elson, do not teach me what to read, will you?. it was _you_ who argued
that states do not matter previously. then i suggested you to look at the
soviet socialist model. i know W's argument.

>No one says states are irrelevant, certainly not IW.  On the contrary, IW
>as
>an entire
>collection of essays stressing the importance and role of the states:
>The Politics of the World-System.

i already answered this question in my previous post.

>You're not getting the argument apparently.  The point is that states are
>not independent
>socieites.

your repeat the same arguments over and over again like a main-stream
economist. i did NOT say that states are independent. check the archives
of the list. i rather argued that states are concrete formations embedded
in _class relations_ under capitalism. dominant classes use the state for
their own purposes to maximize their share nationally and internationally.
under _capitalism_, states can not be autonomous from class forces.

>States are rather among the more efficacious
>mediating forces of
>the world-economy
>for a vareity of reasons.  Read the above mentioned book for IW's views,
>or
>read in more detail
>any of his works.

i have already read them. thanks. read marx in more details to capture my
argument....

i personally do not want to go on with this language but you seem to be
quite insulting.

Mine Aysen Doyran
phd candidate
SUNY/Albany
dept of pol scie