Yes BUT
[as quoted in New York Sunday Times Feb 22, 1998, sect WK, p. 17, upper
right hand corner]
"We are talking about using military force, but we are not talking about
war. That is an important distinction"
"If we have to use force, it is because we are America. We are the
indispensable nation. We stand tall. We see further into the future."
both are direct quotes from
US SECRETARY OF STATE Madelein Albright
submitted for the record
gunder frank
On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Marianne Brun wrote:
> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 11:56:56 +0100 (MET)
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> Subject: URGENT:INVOKE HAGUE ARTICLE 8 AGAINST US&IRAQ (fwd)
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> ---original message follows---
> >From FBOYLE@LAW.UIUC.EDU Fri Feb 20 21:44:37 1998
> Return-Path: <FBOYLE@LAW.UIUC.EDU>
> From: "Boyle, Francis" <FBOYLE@LAW.UIUC.EDU>
> Subject: URGENT:INVOKE HAGUE ARTICLE 8 AGAINST US&IRAQ
> To: "'Abolition Caucus List (E-mail)'" <abolition-caucus@igc.apc.org>,
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> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:44:03 -0600
> Return-Receipt-To: "Boyle, Francis" <FBOYLE@LAW.UIUC.EDU>
>
> PLEASE FORWARD!
> Dear Friends:
>
> Both the United States and Iraq are parties to the Hague
> Convention for the Pacific Settlement of International Disputes of 1907.
> Article 8 thereof establishes a procedure for "special mediation" with a
> mandatory 30-day "cooling-off period" while the mediation goes on. The
> text of Article 8 of the 1907 Hague Convention reads as follows:
>
> Article 8
>
> The contracting powers are agreed in recommending the application, when
> circumstances allow, of special mediation in the following form:
>
> In case of a serious difference endangering the peace, the states at
> variance choose respectively a power, to whom they intrust the mission
> of entering into direct communication with the power chosen on the other
> side, with the object of preventing the rupture of pacific relations.
>
> For the period of this mandate, the term of which, unless otherwise
> stipulated, can not exceed thirty days, the states in conflict cease
> from all direct communication on the subject of the dispute, which is
> regarded as referred exclusively to the mediating powers, who must use
> their best efforts to settle it.
>
> In case of a definite rupture of pacific relations these powers are
> charged with the joint task of taking advantage of any opportunity to
> restore peace.
>
>
> Your government joined by others could formally and publicly
> invoke article 8 of the 1907 Hague Convention against both the United
> States and Iraq, and demand a 30-day cooling off period for this special
> mediation procedure to take place. Your government could also invoke
> the requirement of article 33 (1) of the United Nations Charter
> providing that parties to the dispute in the Gulf "shall, first of all,
> seek a solution by negotiation, inquiry, mediation, conciliation,
> arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or
> arrangements, or other peaceful means of their own choice." You will
> note that U.N. Charter Article 33 would expressly by name require the
> pursuit of the "mediation" procedure set forth in Hague Article 8,
> including the 30-day cooling off period. In addition, Article 2(3) of
> the UN Charter provides that : "All Members shall settle their
> international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that
> international peace and security , and justice are not endangered." In
> regard to these arguments you should also note that all five permanent
> members of the UN Security Council are contracting parties to this 1907
> Hague Convention.
> To invoke Article 8 of the Hague Convention of 1907, you must
> have your Government publicly specify that a serious difference
> endangering the peace arising from the threat of war between the United
> States and Iraq that will directly affect your country exists . A third
> party state willing to serve as a mediator should be designated.
> You should formally serve notice of your invocation of Hague
> Article 8 to the UN Ambassadors of the United States and Iraq and all
> other parties to the Hague Convention, and especially to the Permanent
> Members of the Security Council. The United States and Iraq should be
> requested to select mediators.
> A public announcement of this effort at pacific resolution of
> the dispute should be made. A country proceeding to use violence during
> the 30-day period bears the onus of ignoring the invocation of the
> treaty and its potential for peace.
> Austria, Belgium, Cuba, Ecuador, India, Yemen and Zimbabwe are
> parties to this Hague Convention with nearly 70 other states.
> May God be with you this weekend as you try to convince your
> Government to invoke Hague Article 8 against the United States and Iraq.
> Francis A. Boyle
> Professor of International Law
>
> Francis A. Boyle
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