List,
Ronald, I know exactly what you are getting at. Please do not include the
victims of abuse with their abusers as "sets" of people. There is only one
person on WSN that was on IPE who degenerates list discussions. As you
know, I left IPE because of the constant abuse from this individual, and I
stopped responding to this individuals on WSN because some people
requested that I not encourage him (although, admittedly, others
encouraged me to to go after him). Including the victim of abuse as a set
with the abuser and then blaming the set is, in my view, extremely
offensive. It is called "victim blaming." The individual who degenerates
these list must be especially happy today because his goal of dragging
certain people down, those people whom he cannot face on intellectual
grounds, has been internalized by others.
I apologize for writing a post like this publically, but Ronald wrote this
publically, and I only think it fair that I have a chance to defend
myself. I wish this would stop. I joined this list (and IPE) for academic
discussion only to find myself constantly attacked by a rightwing
anticommunist, and then blamed for the tactics of my attacker. I know the
majority of us are not so shallow as to not understand what is going on
here. And if the purpose is to seem fair by diffusing the blame, let's
stop this too, because it is my reputation that suffers.
Andrew Austin
On Sun, 6 Jul 1997, Ronald J. Deibert wrote:
> Dear WSN'ers:
>
> Those of you who have subscribed to the IPENet will recognize the
> degeneration that is occurring in these exchanges that, not surprisingly,
> involve the same set of people.
>
> As with IPEnet, the substantive contributions from regulars are fast
> withering.
>
> Regards,
> Ron Deibert
> Department of Political Science
> University of Toronto
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> At 09:47 PM 7/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
> > Andrew Wayne Austin <aaustin@utkux.utcc.utk.edu> writes:
> >
> >> List,
> >>
> >> Seems this list has acquired a reactionary element. Those of us who bring
> >> to the attention of others that the construct of biological race is a
> >> scientific nonreality, that its invention was born in ignorance and
> >> exploitative relations, and that continued attempts to reassert its
> >> ontology perpetuate racism--we are "politically correct."
> >
> >How curious to be lectured on biology by a man whose philosophy gave us
> >Lysenko.
> >
> >A giggle on the side: among Andy's favourite insults (apart from the
> >scatological and pornographic ones he sends out in his private mail) is
> >calling people "idealists." Curiouser and curiouser, then, that critics of
> >the Marxist hero Lysenko were sent to the gulag for the crime of "bourgeois
> >objectivism." This presumably consists of observing, objectively, that
> >plants of the wrong, ahem, strain, don't grow with the Party's ordained
> >fecundity.
> >
> >The great insolence in Andy's note, however, lies in his use of the
> >apparently innocent "bring to the attention of others." Andy has brought
> >nothing to the attention of others. He has no pearls for us. He has a
> >good deal of common lumber, in amongst his filth and insanity, but it is
> >sound lumber that the rest of us have used and built with all along --
> >while he and his "epigones" and "cadres" were busy destroying.
> >
> > -dlj.
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