Re: Frank and Barendse vs. Boswell

Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:03:57 -0500 (EST)
A. Gunder Frank (

You ASKED for it:
1. Terry observes SOME growth in Europe and equates that with
EUROPEAN EXPANSION and is now thankfuly more reluctant to use the
"C" =apitalism word, as he graciuously put it.
2. Terry observes MORE growth in and of Europe than there was [eg
Barensde and Frank independetly of each other both rebut his totally
unwarranted claims about Indonesia and Africa], and
3. Terry does not observe anything in Asia because he refuses to look, so
Barendse and Frank supply a couple of items about that.
4. They show that European "expansion" is neither here nor there,
Terry does well to excercise care in the use of the "C'word - Frank would
abandon it altogether and apparently Barendse is also so inclined on the
basis of the EVIDENCE, so that therefore
5. The argument is about the entire body of historiography and social
theory from Marx Weber to Wallerstein - including what the "world system"
and the "theory" about it is and is NOT.
6. Al Bergesen made this = what this argument is about - abundantly clear
on this net some weeks ago.
Maybe Salvatore was out to lunch.

Bon Aptetit

Gunder Frank

On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Salvatore Babones wrote:

> Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 18:50:49 -0500
> From: Salvatore Babones <>
> Subject: Frank and Barendse vs. Boswell
> Please excuse me for interrupting the flow of the debate, but I've lost
> the point of it. If one of the protagonists would be willing to make a
> restatement of the theory to be confirmed or rejected by the evidence of
> commparative 16th century growth rates, I would appreciate it.
> Thanks.
> Salvatore