Re: new immanence in danger

I believe that stereotypes such as the kind promoted in the message below
can only harm our attempts to build a movement.  Some anti-war people are
overweight........so, is that a good basis to insult someone? My sister gave
me an old SUV with 100,000 miles on it -- do I have to fear driving it
around (with four people inside, averaging 75 miles/gallon per person) while
some snotty elitist driving alone in a car that gets 35 miles to the gallon
(and cost how much energy to build?) and who lives in a house twice as big
as mine decides to castigate me for driving an SUV?  Fries and coke are not
healthy, but then again, German food is not that healthy either, and most of
them oppose the war. "Totally brainwashed?" Then we might as well just all
kill ourselves.

People should be criticized for their actions, and people should be
criticized if they promote untrue ideas. And that includes those who are
"convinced of their just claim for blood and oil, " as Leonard writes.

But criticizing people for these stereotyped, alleged behaviors is not
simply "being too harsh". In fact, it is not harsh enough against the people
who really should be criticized because it diverts our criticism and our
anger away from them and towards these secondary issues.

Alan Spector



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Leonard" <leonardjp@earthlink.net>
To: <wsn@csf.colorado.edu>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: new immanence in danger


> one can easily relate to the anti-Americanism here. everytime you turn
> around you run into the grotesquely obese "balloon people," guzzling cokes
> and fries at the wheel of their gaz-guzzling SUV's, and carelessly
> convinced of their just claim for blood and oil.
>
> HOWEVER, they are totally brainwashed and blinkered, stuffed full of
> hormones, boob toob soap, and other additives. it's not much of an excuse,
> but they really have no idea what America's true interests are. they must
> be considered wards of the state.
>
> This war is really NOT in America's interest. It is in the interest of a
> tiny fascist cabal of war profiteers, war criminals, and zionists.
> i should have thought some of the great minds on this list would have
> noticed the distinction by now.
>
>
> At 12:06 27.2.03 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >Steve, thanks for your extremely powerful rebuttal of
> >Hardt's weak argument.  The only part I did not
> >understand was your last couple of sentences
> >distinguishing capitalist ruling class from
> >corporations.  What do you mean?
> >
> >Khaldoun
> >
> >
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