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Re: Israeli Atrocities Question Mark
by Alan Spector
10 December 2002 05:16 UTC
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Forging phony films with fake atrocities is wrong. Spreading racist lies
such as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is wrong. Both are appalling and
must be condemned.  Once again, though, we should be reminded about who is
doing most of the atrocities and most of the propagandistic lies.

At this point, someone might accuse me of softening up the criticism of the
anti-Jewish propaganda or insisting that every condemnation of anti-Jewish
propaganda must be simultaneously accompanied by a condemnation of every
anti-Arab act.  Well, I am not saying that.  I am saying that as a
stand-alone comment, any forgeries and especially any propagation of the
Protocols of the Elders of Zion must be condemned.

As a separate point, however, it is important for people to have some kind
of context. Just how much forging has gone on by commission and omission by
the US and Israeli governments?  How much does the average person in the US
know about the murders in the South Lebanon camp committed with the consent
of Sharon and the supposedly "Heroic" as they are described below, IDF.
(Israeli Defense Forces). Is it true that they  have only fought against
terrorists and terrorists alone? Of course not. And how many, many lies were
told by the US government, forgeries during Vietnam, Greneda, Panama, and
the Gulf War (remember the supposed film of the Iraqi munitions dump being
exploded by a US "smart bomb" that turned out to be film of a US Army truck
being exploded in the US for a training film?).

The racist stereotyping against Jews must be condemned. But look at the
steady diet of anti-Arab stereotypes that fill US popular Hollywood films.
True, those films usually admit to being fiction, but the impact on the US
public, especially youth is very strong. How many such films? Fifty, a
hundred? Seen by how many tens of millions, hundreds of millions of
people..........films that consistently portray Arabs as "lesser than
Christians and Jews."

We should have absolutely NO PATIENCE with anyone that spreads anti-Jewish
propaganda. NONE. It is inexcusable. But that does not mean one must support
the misery that the Israeli government, with US government backing, has
brought down on hundreds of thousands of Arabs, nor the propaganda and lies
that are used to justify that oppression.

Alan Spector


----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Krebs" <alankrebs303@hotmail.com>
To: <wsn@csf.colorado.edu>
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 11:38 PM
Subject: Israeli Atrocities Question Mark

> For all the Israel-obsessed on this list, a piece of some interest.
> AK
> Subject:  Jenin: Anti-Israel mythology
> Dangerous traveling documentary regarding things that never took place
> in Jenin: Your attention needed NOW.
> This new anti-Israel documentary about the alleged incidents in Jenin,
> will be traveling around the world, shown to audiences in order to
> create anger and anti-Israel sentiment. Programs like: The Protocols of
> the Elders of Zion are shown in Egypt because there is no world outcry.
> Only Jewish outcry. But here it is, in your faces, a traveling
> documentary about the shelling of hospital wings in Jenin (hospital
> wings that never existed) a story of a dead baby with no name or body
> ever found, a story about an old man who lies about being shot in the
> hand and foot when in reality he did have light injury to his hand but
> was in fact treated in an Israeli hospital for chronic anemia, imaginary
> bodies being crushed by Israeli tanks, and imaginary mass graves dug by
> IDF to hide bodies. The film talks about Israeli planes that supposedly
> bombed the city. There were no such planes. The film systematically and
> repeatedly uses manipulative pictures of tanks taken in other locations,
> artificially placing them next to pictures of
> Palestinian children.
> Tell everyone about this by forwarding this entire note to your list.
> Send this to other organizations, other leaders.
> The standwithus membership is international...due to the blessings of
> the internet...we have a far reach... each one of you has a far reach as
> well... alert everyone about this...and when it comes back to you from
> organizations, you will know that we have made a diffence. At the very
> we have alerted everyone that such a false film is about to be shown...
> we have hopefully tainted this lying film to any responsible station who
> might consider airing such hateful propaganda.
> Special thanks to Standwithus member Janet Levy
> Please read:
> SEVEN LIES ABOUT JENIN (Presented in New Palestinian Documentary to be
> Viewed Worldwide) By David Zangen, M.D
> (Commentary by Dr. David Zangen, Ma'ariv, 8.11.2002, Weekend Supplement)
> I watched Muhammad Bakri's film Jenin, Jenin in a limited forum, with
> Jerusalem Cinematheque Director Leah Van Leer and several journalists.
> After the private screening, I responded and indicated each lie and lack
> credibility. One of those present at the screening was outraged: "If you
> don't accept the facts in the film, you apparently don't understand
> anything; how can you be a doctor?"
> For a moment, I forgot that I had been in Jenin last April, serving as a
> regional brigade doctor, while this viewer had, at best, been fed on
> Bakri expertly weaves together lies and half-truths until it becomes very
> difficult not to be seduced by the distorted picture he creates.
> Even so, I was invited to its premiere screening in Jerusalem and I
> in order to explain my position to the audience. Following are several
> points that I wished to raise to the audience:
> 1. Dr. Abu Riali, director of the hospital in Jenin, claims in the film
> that the western wing of the hospital was shelled and destroyed and that
> IDF knowingly hit the hospital's water and power supplies. There never was
> any such wing and in any case, no part of the hospital was either shelled
> blown up. IDF soldiers took care not to enter its grounds even though we
> knew that it was serving as a refuge for several wanted fugitives. We
> guarded the water, electricity and oxygen supplies to the hospital all
> throughout the fighting and assisted in setting up an emergency generator
> after the city's electrical system was damaged.
> the hospital's clean and well-kept corridors, but not in the blown up
> wing. I met him outside the theater and asked him if he had visited the
> western wing. At first he said no, then he moment in the film with
> glass - it was from there." It is important to point out that this Abu
> is one of the "authorized sources" for the claim of a "massacre." At the
> beginning Al-Jazeera television and spoke of, "thousands of victims."
> 2. Another impressive part of the film is the interview with a male
> 75-year-old Jenin resident who mumbles and cries and tells how he was
> out of his bed in the middle of the night, shot in the hand, and after he
> failed to obey the soldiers' command to get up, was shot again in the
> I met this very same old man as he was brought to me after an operation to
> clear one of the Hamas cells' houses in the refugee camp. He had indeed
> lightly injured in the hand and was suffering from a minor scratch on the
> foot, but certainly not as the result of a
> bullet. IDF soldiers transferred him to a secure station that had been
> set up to treat wounded and there I treated him, among others. One of the
> military doctors identified diagnosed a transferred immediately to Haemek
> Hospital in Afula for treatment. He asked to be treated at the
> hospital in Jenin since he did not speak Hebrew. After the hospital
> refused to admit him, we transferred him to Afula and he stayed there for
> three days in the internal medicine department for treatment of his heart
> problems and the anemia that he suffered from as a result of another
> illness.
> 3. Another person who was interviewed spoke about a baby who suffered a
> chest wound from a bullet that entered through his chest and exited his
> body, creating a hole in his back. According to the film the baby died
> IDF soldiers prevented his evacuation to hospital. A baby's body with this
> type of injury has never been found. Moreover, such an injury would have
> been fatal, and evacuation would not have saved his life. What is this
> baby's name? Where did his body disappear?
> 4. The same person interviewed also told how, using his finger, he opened
> the baby's airway in his neck after he was injured. Again, a complete lie.
> Such an action cannot be carried out with a finger. This "witness" adds
> tanks ran over living people many times until they were completely
> imaginary.
> 5. The film mentions a mass gravesite that IDF soldiers dug for
> Palestinian dead. Every international organization that investigated the
> matter concur that there were 52 Palestinian dead in Jenin, and that all
> bodies were returned to the Palestinians for burial. Bakri does not bother
> to show the supposed location of this mass gravesite.
> 6. Israeli planes that supposedly bombed the city are mentioned in the
> film. There were no such planes. In order to prevent civilian casualties,
> only focused helicopter fire was used.
> 7. It is interesting to note that Bakri was not present in Jenin at the
> time of the operation, and only arrived two weeks after it was completed.
> pictures shot at the site in the center of Jenin, the damage appears much
> larger than it was in actual fact, and the martyrs' pictures and jihad
> slogans - which had been present at the time of the
> IDF military operation - had disappeared from the walls of houses. The
> film systematically and repeatedly uses manipulative pictures of tanks
> in other locations, artificially placing them next to pictures of
> Palestinian children.
> In general, this is a vulgar, but extremely well done, work of
> manipulation.
> Allow me to say what I was unable to say to those people that evening. I
> am proud that I was part of this excellent and ethical force that operated
> in Jenin, regular army soldiers and reservists with motivation and a
> fighting spirit, who went to destroy the terrorist infrastructure in its
> capital. Many suicide-bombers came from Jenin, and were
> responsible for the murder of the elderly, women and children on our
> streets. I am proud that we were there, that we fought, and I also am
> of the morality of the battle. The camp was not bombed from the air in
> to prevent innocent civilian casualties, and artillery was not used even
> though we knew about specific areas in the [refugee] camp where terrorists
> were holing up. IDF soldiers fought against terrorists, and terrorists
> Before destroying a building where terrorist fire against our soldiers had
> originated from, as many warnings as could be allowed, were given, so that
> the people could leave without injury. The medical team administered
> aid to
> all casualties, even if they had Hamas tattoos on their hands. At no
> point was any person refused medical treatment.
> This battle, heroic on one hand and ethical on the other, took a heavy
> toll from the best of our fighters! We who had to be there - the soldiers
> that fell there, their families and the IDF - do not deserve that Muhammad
> Bakri should incite the world to murder and hatred at our expense.
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