Re CNN found using fake footage

http://nuance.dhs.org/lbo-talk/current/1202.html
   This goes to the nub of this controversy. Even if Pradep called me, gasp,
a liberal, I agree with him more than he might think. Hell, even might agree
with lnp3 more than he might like to admit. Or me! ;-) Except on the virtues
of this guy.
www.icdsm.org
Michael Pugliese

"Unfortunately there are at times certain (well meaning) tendencies on the
left
--often pacifist-- that feel the need to depict the victims of American
terror
as being above reproach in manner and behaviour in order to elicit sympathy
and
solidarity for them. Its a need that largely stems from the requirements
imposed
by liberal ideology -- that only beautiful well-behaved victims are
deserving of
compassion, not the uppity ones that may have ideas about striking back.
Aside
from being offensively condescending, it is also dishonest, unprincipled and
dangerous as a strategy. I personally am neither surprised, nor am I
particularly offended by the fact that that some Palestenians, born and bred
in
concentration camps and subject to decades of terror, would choose to
celebrate
what they see as their tormenters comeuppance, rather than light candles and
sing kumbya.
-pradeep

Re: CNN found using fake footage
From: ppillai@sprint.ca
Date: Fri Sep 14 2001 - 18:34:08 EDT

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Carrol wrote:


> Look -- if this is true, it will make good agitational material. But I
> do wish posters would quit reporting it in the form of A says somewhere
> that B may have said that C has revealed, I guess, that..... You are
> making leftists look sloppy.
>
> Carrol


 and also


"Dennis" <dperrin13@mediaone.net> wrote:


> For once I agree with Carrol. It looks as though we're grasping at
anything
> to justify our opposition to what we know is coming. But, if it is true,
it
> will be damning, at least in the short run. My pals at FAIR should
> investigate. Seth, are you reading this?
>
> DP
>


Look, when i posted this immeaditely after reading it in that Counterpunch
story
I was uanaware of the already existing thread on this list starting with the
indymedia post. Personally I wouldnt have particularly trusted an Indymedia
post
of that nature nor would I have forwarded it to the list in the first place.
I
was simply intrigued by a Cockburn article citing a prof.( at a specified
university) that claimed to have compared tapes and found them to be similar
so
I simply quoted it exactly as published in that online publication. Look, I
am
not making the left look sloppy or anything else of the sort. The post was
innocent enough -- just something to throw out there for discussion or
possible
investigation, or for comment if anyone had heard anything similar. I think
the
already existing thread has caused my simple post to be recieved as if it
were
meant to be a contribution to an ongoing debate(unbeknownst to me) on the
validity of a rumour.
That having been said we should be clear about what this means if it does it
turn out to be true. It does *not* mean that the story of Palestenians
having
celebrated is not true -- it almost certainly is. Nor would it be (nor as
far as
i know has anyone suggested that it be) something to base or justify our
opposition. What it does show is how sleazy and how crassly and manipulative
CNN
and the mainsteam media are in attempting to whip up xenaphobic outrage. It
would help us in attempting to delegitimate what is most certainly to be a
key
institution for manipulating public opinion for the upcoming mobilization fo
r
war. There and only there lies its propagandistic use -- as a tool for
deligitimation.
Unfortunately there are at times certain (well meaning) tendencies on the
left
--often pacifist-- that feel the need to depict the victims of American
terror
as being above reproach in manner and behaviour in order to elicit sympathy
and
solidarity for them. Its a need that largely stems from the requirements
imposed
by liberal ideology -- that only beautiful well-behaved victims are
deserving of
compassion, not the uppity ones that may have ideas about striking back.
Aside
from being offensively condescending, it is also dishonest, unprincipled and
dangerous as a strategy. I personally am neither surprised, nor am I
particularly offended by the fact that that some Palestenians, born and bred
in
concentration camps and subject to decades of terror, would choose to
celebrate
what they see as their tormenters comeuppance, rather than light candles and
sing kumbya.


-pradeep