solution for all?

One more point about Georges Drouet's post.  How in the word are we going to
come up with a solution that is acceptable to all parties?  How do you
reconcile the capitalist's desire for profit and capital accumulation with
exploited/oppressed people's need for basic human rights- such as freedom
and equality?  How do you reconcile the multinational corporations' interest
to explore new sites for extraction of surplus value with people's
aspiration to have a decent life? Can you offer some concrete suggestions?

By the way, my solution is not either socialism today or an uncritical
acceptance of capitalism forever.  There are a diverse range of struggles
that can be developed right here, right now.  Socialism today may have to be
"socialism from below," achieved through prolonged counter-hegemonic
processes, or what Marcuse called a "long march through institutions."
Again, working with grassroots organizations may very well be a part of that
project. But it is important to understand that while class reconciliation
may be a pragmatic compromise that we have to pursue for strategic/tactical
reasons, the basic antagonism between capital/labor is irreconcilable within
the framework of capitalism.

Manjur Karim
----- Original Message -----
From: Georges Drouet <gdrouet@brutele.be>
To: <wsn@csf.colorado.edu>
Cc: Andrew Wayne Austin <aaustin@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>; Paul Gomberg
<bijhpgo@csu.edu>; <corp-ethics@egroups.com>; <lgi-announce@egroups.com>;
<ybks@globalknowledge.org>; <drugus@mail.dntis.ro>
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: Imperialism and poverty


> I think the idea of putting an end to capitalism is obsolete. We are in a
> system in which alternatives are limited if we want to avoid a new world
> war, or, at least, something similar to what is now happening in Africa:
> civil wars directly linked to economical interests. Soon another very
> sensitive point  will be an argument for wars, it's water control...
>
> What we need to find is a solution acceptable by all the parts involved,
we
> need to create a consensus around worldwide proposals intended to develop
a
> sustainable future and, sorry for the partisans of political
confrontation,
> we are pretty short of time.
>
> For the ones who know SP, I want to apologize to be like a parrot, but I
> want to ask again if you have checked out the Simultaneous Policy
> proposals? It's a simple and reliable idea: policies which cannot be
> implemented unilaterally by one country because of the threat of job
flight
> and/or currency devaluation can be implemented by all the nations together
> on a same time after a adoption stage.
>
> This very efficient idea is the bedrock of SP, you will found all the
> details in our website: http:www.simpol.org.
>
> By the way, if you want to distribute money to an association working for
a
> sustainable future, I mean building a real framework to promote peace and
> equity, you may earn that money and open a SP delegation in your
> university, your office, your town, your political party or promote SP
with
> your friends and the newspapers you are working with.
>
> Our initiative is totally open to the feedback of the participants, thus
> your feedback is welcome and we have a special page called "Your Ideas" in
> which you can propose new concepts to be included in the SP proposals.
>
> Thank you.
>
> >Paul,
> >
> >What organization do you recommend we contribute our money to?
> >
> >Andrew Austin
> >Knoxville, TN
> >
> >On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Paul Gomberg wrote:
> >
> >>By donating to an organization which would put an end to capitalism and
> >>the horrors it creates for so many.
> >>
> >>Paul
> >>
> >>On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Andrew Wayne Austin
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Paul,
> >>>
> >>> If you would, tell me how the resources that might be used to feed
hungry
> >>> children would be better spent.
> >>>
> >>> Andrew Austin
> >>> Knoxville TN
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------
> Georges Drouet
> 28, place Morichar  1060 Bruxelles
>
> gdrouet@brutele.be
>
>