Re: WS and GF

In a message dated 10/2/2002 9:17:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, larondin@yahoo.com writes:


> To John Landon: … By the way, how does your own material from the Eonic Effect square up with this K-wave stuff for the modern and DeMause’s GF cycles?   Any impt. implications you can think of in all this (lengthening K’s, eighteen year cycles, GF cycles, “better childrearing as historical variable, evolutionary source of change”)? …  Might the latter, especially, be related to your discussion of an increasing sense of freedom in the Modern? … Your thoughts?


The eonic effect is on such a huge scale that it seems to transcend analysis of the specific phenomena of economic cycles. 
If you check the terminology you will find a distinction of 'eonic sequence' and 'econosequence'. 
If you think about it, Marx's thinking might have done better by subordinating 'econosequence', i.e. economic history and determination, to the 'universal history' that he holds in reserve, concealed in the sequence of 'world eras' or stages. 
The long wave data makes sense as a reaction formation to the onset of the Industrial Revolution, a point of relative demarcation, to be sure. But the basic dynamics is of the effect of the rise of the modern period as a whole, and there the sudden perception of cyclical dynamics in the wake of the new economy began almost within a generation of the new industrialism. We can of course stretch that backward, but the eonic model gives us good grounds all over again for the basic perception that a new era starts around 1800. And we can clock these long waves from roughly there. 
The issue of freedom in relation to this is quite simple, at least in principle. We have a non-linear interaction of agents and 'economies', and as information is recorded from the past, the relation of the agent to the system changes. That makes the question of 'what phase of the cycle are we in now?' and 'what do I do now?' paradoxical. 
This self-interaction of agent and theory, and data, is called the Oedipus Effect. We are not just analyzing objective phenomena, but also the evolution of the theories modifying those phenomena at the same time. That deprives the analysis of the full causal analysis, and puts it in the context of that blend of system and free action taken into account explicitly by the eonic model. 
John Landon
Website on the eonic effect
http://eonix.8m.com
nemonemini@eonix.8m.com